Towing weight question

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MattS3

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198 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Looking to replace the tent with a caravan. It only gets used 3 or 4 times a year but the kids love it, and with a little less effort required for a caravan in terms of not worrying about it getting wet when packing away etc, we're considering a caravan up to £6k.

Something like this http://www.norwich-caravans.co.uk/used-bailey-cara...

Question is, will my wifes 2005 GTi turbo be up to the job of towing it? Looking at this site here it looks like it might well be borderline http://www.uktow.com/towing%20capacity.asp

Would prefer not to have to change the car until we're happy we actually like caravaning, as a diesel or 4x4 isnt really her next choice of car.

Any feedback gratefully accepted. (I could potentially use my fathers Merc C220 CDi estate if needs be as we wont be going very far from home anyway)

LouD86

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160 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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If its DSG, yes your fine. A manual though, nope. Which is the other way round that I thougth it would be. You need to look at the maximum weight of the caravan, and the towing weight of the car.

You may find Lunar's tend to be a lighter caravan to tow!

MattS3

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Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Cheers

It's a manual, which is shame, it must be very close to the limit.

What weight limit should I be looking at, is it 1200k kg MTMP (or something!)




R0G

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162 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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What is the exact make and model of your car?

The caravan in that link has a MTPLM (MAM)of 1250 kg

On the V5 form -
what is the mass in service weight
What is the Gross vehicle weight
What is the permitted towing capacity
???

Rosscow

9,013 posts

170 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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I'm not so sure, Lou.

Looks OK to me, as long as you don't go mental loading the caravan:

Go to: http://www.towcar.info/

I have selected the following:

Volkswagen Golf V - 2.0 GTI (manual version 2004-2008)
2006 Bailey Ranger 510

I have adjusted the MIRO weight of the caravan to 1026kg and the MTPLM to 1250kg as stated on the dealer website.

With a load of 200kg in the caravan, and a load of 300kg in the car, then you get 86% weight ratio which is absolutely fine.

It also gives it 5 stars for the stability index.

The car has a towing limit of 1400kg, so you could also pull this outfit without needing the B+E license. I think the car has a gross weight of around 1750kg and a kurb weight of 1428kg.

Out of interest if the car was loaded to 1750kg, 1250kg (maximum caravan weight) is only 71% of the car weight so no problem there. Still well under the car tow limit as well.

The car has a nose weight of 75kg which should be ample also.

Edited by Rosscow on Tuesday 8th July 16:17

MattS3

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Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Ok, thank you that's really very helpful.
I might go see the dealer in question, its literally 5 miles from my house and see what they say.

I like the layout of the rear washroom (I think) over having it at the side.
I see Lunar do a few like that too, and they seem to dip in under weight, but not many local to me to go and view.

I wouldn't expect I'd be overloading the van, maybe an awning and a BBQ plus a kids bike, and relevant clothes for us all.
The car would have 2 adults and 2 kids under 9 in it, so weight in there wouldn't be mad either.

Licence shouldn't be an issue either I think, I passed my test back in 1988.




Edited by MattS3 on Tuesday 8th July 16:38

Rosscow

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Tuesday 8th July 2014
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MattS3 said:
Ok, thats pretty helpful.
I might go see the dealer in question, its literally 5 miles from my house and see what they say.

I like the layout of the rear washroom (I think) over having it at the side.
I see Lunar do a few like that too, and they seem to dip in under weight, but not many local to me to go and view.

I wouldn't expect I'd be overloading the van, maybe an awning and a BBQ plus a kids bike, and relevant clothes for us all.
The car would have 2 adults and 2 kids under 9 in it, so weight in there wouldn't be mad either.
You'll be surprised!!

Gas bottle (or 2?)
Aquaroll
Waste water container
BBQ
Clothes
Bike
Bedding
Food stuffs and drinks

You'll be amazed how much that would add up to. I always put my awning (which is heavy) in the boot of the car to save loading the van up.

MattS3

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Tuesday 8th July 2014
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I guess so, but I know just how much stuff we take at the moment camping, fills a trailer, and 2 cars!
Was kinda hoping that without the need for a fridge, cooking equipment, folding storage units, tables and chairs, gas bottle for outside bbq, things might get a little easier to move about!

My thinking is that we'd need space for the awning (heavy) then the BBQ on the floor of the van over the axle, with water carriers etc all being lightweight due to being empty, but stored in the bathroom are for transit.

Bed stuff and clothes in the van, thus we can leave one car at home and just use 1 car plus the caravan.
This might all be working out nicely smile

R0G

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162 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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I agree with all that Rosscow said based on the figures he gave

LouD86

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160 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Rosscow said:
I'm not so sure, Lou.
My bad, I read the towing weight as 1200kgs

MattS3

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Tuesday 8th July 2014
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LouD86 said:
My bad, I read the towing weight as 1200kgs
I'm happy you got it wrong smile

LouD86

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Tuesday 8th July 2014
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MattS3 said:
LouD86 said:
My bad, I read the towing weight as 1200kgs
I'm happy you got it wrong smile
For your sake, me too!

Have fun finding the right van (and all the bits that cost the money you buy afterwards). Youll love it!

MattS3

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Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Cheers, I'm getting taken over by caravan specifications at the moment!

LongBaz383BHP

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224 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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Something I don't understand. My Xc90 D5 auto wieghs 2192kg and the tow limit is 2250kg. A Merc ML wieghs 2173kg and the tow limit is 3366kg. Both have simular power. Am I missing something or can someone explain.
Thanks
Barrie

Sorry for the hijack OP.

Rosscow

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170 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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I presume there is more than just weight that comes into it.

Surely it depends on drive train, suspension, brakes, etc. ?

Sounds like the ML must have heavier duty something or other which gives it a higher towing capacity?