CPC Help

[bltamil1]

Hi,

I'm in the process of obtaining my Class 1 license and am struggling to understand CPC requirements (i.e. do I need a CPC) so could do with some help from more learned folks.

I plan to be driving a race transporter (C+E) to racetracks on Thursday night/Friday morning, working/messing about at the track until Sunday afternoon, then driving the transporter back to base on a Sunday evening. There may also be some single day events (i.e. drive to the track in the morning and back again in the evening). That's basically it, other than some minor shunting around the yard to load up etc.

I think I'm clear on the driving hours part of it, but I can't work out if a CPC is needed for this type of use as guidance seems a bit contradictory.

The operation is definitely commercial in nature, and I am director of the company. The truck will be carrying a mix of cars owned by the company and cars owned by customers, plus tools and equipment owned by the company. Driving will be less than 30% of my job for sure, and everything in the truck is for use at the destination and will be returning with the truck back to base (other than consumables etc).

If anyone is able to provide some clarity it would be much appreciated!

[Glenn63]

I’m a HGV driver and I’m not 100% sure myself. If your being paid by the customers to move their cars then you’ll need CPC and tacho etc. I’m not sure if it’s moving your own stuff about, do horsebox users need cpc’s?

Quick googling seems if not for hire or reward no cpc needed.

Edited by Glenn63 on Saturday 16th August 11:26

[bltamil1]

It’s not just me then!

There seems to be a bit of crossover that is making me unsure. The customers obviously pay for the service, but the transport to and from the workshop is a relatively small part of that service.

The way I read it, you can transposed your own equipment round to use at worksites without CPC, but that might not apply where equipment t is owned by others.

It would also be less than 30% of the job, which is think is another exemption…

I suppose the best thing to do is seek clarification from DVSA/DVLA, but I can’t see that happening anytime soon!

[Glenn63]

I suppose if you could claim the cars on board are just yours and your ‘mates’ and they don’t pay for transportation then it wouldn’t be classed as hire or reward?
My Mrs has a horse and people will often take their horse plus someone else’s to go off riding somewhere but no money is changing hands.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

I would phone DVSA just to see what they have to say regarding it, just ask them the general question of what one would do in that situation. Despite the usual tropes they are knowledgeable and helpful, you'll be able to speak to a human on the phone and the wait times usually aren't crazy.

[R0G]

Yes you deffo need CPC as it is commercial even if just in part

[bltamil1]

Thanks gents, appreciate the help. I’m signed up to do the CPC anyway, so it’s no great shakes.

Does the 30% of time exemption not apply if goods are being transported commercially?

[Alex410]

Glenn63 said:

I’m a HGV driver and I’m not 100% sure myself. If your being paid by the customers to move their cars then you’ll need CPC and tacho etc. I’m not sure if it’s moving your own stuff about, do horsebox users need cpc’s?

Quick googling seems if not for hire or reward no cpc needed.

Edited by Glenn63 on Saturday 16th August 11:26

The matter is confusing

[grumpy52]

As others have said contact you local DVSA office they seem to love giving information or clarification. Contrary to popular belief they are not nasty wobbles trying to catch you out all the time . I've even popped into the Dartford crossing office with weird ADR stuff to get clarification and they welcome technical questions

[Doesitdrive]

You are doing the cpc anyway. I would just to save hassle at checkpoints, they will fine first so you can argue later.

Carry the cars with you, even though they can check it online they will fine you.

It is pointless but needed to avoid fines, pointless because you can do the same module 5 times and gain a cpc.

Don't do the cycling one lol, although it is more interesting than all the others.

Things may have changed since I last did it though.

[Glenn63]

It has to be 5 different corses now I believe. When I joined my current place who do 1 a year I was behind and did the same corse 3 days in a row to catch up….

[HelterSkelter]

You'll be getting your initial CPC qualification as part of getting your license anyway won't you?

That's how it was when passing my class 2 around 9 years ago and I don't think its changed.

[nordboy]

HelterSkelter said:

You'll be getting your initial CPC qualification as part of getting your license anyway won't you?

That's how it was when passing my class 2 around 9 years ago and I don't think its changed.

I have CE on my licence but have never done CPC (don't drive obviously)

[HelterSkelter]

nordboy said:

HelterSkelter said:

You'll be getting your initial CPC qualification as part of getting your license anyway won't you?

That's how it was when passing my class 2 around 9 years ago and I don't think its changed.

I have CE on my licence but have never done CPC (don't drive obviously)

When i did mine the practical and theory tests counted as modules towards your initial CPC. I just had to do a separate thing after passing my test, cpc module 4 it might have been called? which was going back to the test center to do a show me/tell me walk round the truck with an examiner asking a few questions.

Obviously when renewing it after that I've had to do the 35 hours of courses to get it.