Is hgv training going to be cheaper

Is hgv training going to be cheaper

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Carlososos

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976 posts

103 months

Sunday 7th November 2021
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Still thinking about getting my Arctic licence, is it going to be cheaper to get the licence once the rules change? I’m thinking because you can go straight to Arctic instead of rigid first essentially you won’t need as many lessons and certainly not as many tests. Can’t really find much info online, maybe I’ve got it wrong.

fttm

3,865 posts

142 months

Sunday 7th November 2021
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Artic is a truck , Arctic is a region . No , doubt very much the courses will be cheaper but only needing to take one might be half the overall cost .

Carlososos

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976 posts

103 months

Sunday 7th November 2021
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fttm said:
Artic is a truck , Arctic is a region . No , doubt very much the courses will be cheaper but only needing to take one might be half the overall cost .
It’s late my brain isn’t working. Yes Artic is what I meant. That’s what I was thinking. So instead of 2 £1500 courses I’ll only need to do one. That will be good for me but maybe not so good for road safety.

fttm

3,865 posts

142 months

Sunday 7th November 2021
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Always used to be thus , car to artic . Depends on your driving skills really , vehicle size doesn't make you a better or worse driver .

944 Man

1,814 posts

139 months

Sunday 7th November 2021
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Courses were longer before the change, I think.

Id expect a direct access course to be far longer than a C to +E course, and cost a lot more as a result.

Cheaper than both combined? Probably, but not by much.

Smint

1,987 posts

42 months

Sunday 7th November 2021
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I doubt there will be much cash saving, going to be a longer course for straight to artic, it was 9 days with test on the 10th when i took mine more years ago than i want to count, that was typical....seems a long training period and yes but it meant nearly a full day maneuvering (not just to pass the simple test reverse which was and is of no use to man or beast once out there in the wild) and much more vehicle handling learned.

But its all done in one course and test, so overall if you feel up to it should be a better way to go.

Don't go by price alone, research who are the professional trainers out there so you pass and get to work immediately, go directly to a training school who has actual lorries and premises not a training agency who will take your money and farm you out to who they can get the cheapest service from.

944 Man

1,814 posts

139 months

Sunday 7th November 2021
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When I say 'longer before', I mean pre-April '91

Carlososos

Original Poster:

976 posts

103 months

Sunday 7th November 2021
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Even if the overall cost goes down to say 2k or even 2.5k that would be a plus instead of two courses that total 3k. Hopefully they’ll start to publish package prices soon. Ive had a quick look and no ones put anything up yet.

944 Man

1,814 posts

139 months

Sunday 7th November 2021
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I suspect that straight into C+E drivers will really struggle to find decent work, or maybe any work.


Smint

1,987 posts

42 months

Sunday 7th November 2021
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944 Man said:
I suspect that straight into C+E drivers will really struggle to find decent work, or maybe any work.
Why so, i went straight to class 1 in the 70's and started a new job on artics the following week.

Decent work? well things were a bit different back then, general haulage was the name of the game, almost everything was on flat trailers so all loads roped and sheeted, curtain siders were only just coming into being and own account jobs whilst the cream really were dead mans shoes and some never got a look in their entire driving lives.
I started on a firm with some right old tackle for motors, but they paid around 30% more than the all flash no cash outfits who bought new Swedish tackle, and followed the cash ever since.
Hard work, it was all hard work then, even those in fancy trucks still had their share of roping and sheeting and handballing 21 ton loads on and off, though they benefitted from power steering.

Whilst experience counts, obviously, its attitude that lands jobs in the lorry game.
This is the best time for new drivers for years, anyone wanting in should get a move on and establish themselves before the increased wages in the industry sorts out the alleged driver shortage, which it will and a rebalancing of wages will happen in due course.

rallye101

2,218 posts

204 months

Sunday 7th November 2021
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I know several of my customers are offering newly qualified class 2 drivers jobs asap with mentoring of some sought. Not any class 1's though

Carlososos

Original Poster:

976 posts

103 months

Sunday 7th November 2021
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Even if it’s just getting the licence and then having to work rigids for a while is still a big plus.

It’s not very often that things go the way of being cheaper or easier. Normally it’s more regulation and more cost.

Feels strange. laugh

MadMullah

5,289 posts

200 months

Sunday 7th November 2021
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944 Man said:
I suspect that straight into C+E drivers will really struggle to find decent work, or maybe any work.
there's alot of class 1 work all over. many places happy to take on new starters. some places take them through agencies first then once you've shown you can do the job they take you on.

944 Man

1,814 posts

139 months

Sunday 7th November 2021
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How do you know how direct access new passes will be regarded when there aren’t any yet?

To suggest that everything will remain the same is rather foolish.

anonymous-user

61 months

Monday 8th November 2021
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Roughly speaking from what I can gather (currently training up to be a HGV driver)

4 days lessons and 5th day test for Class 2
9 days lessons and 10th day test for Class 2 and 1 combined.

Also don't forget, there's some elements of the test that will be done outside the test date. Pretty sure these will need to be done before you can drive a class 1 (reverse exercise etc)

agent006

12,058 posts

271 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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944 Man said:
I suspect that straight into C+E drivers will really struggle to find decent work, or maybe any work.
944 Man said:
How do you know how direct access new passes will be regarded when there aren’t any yet?

R0G

4,998 posts

162 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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Should work out about £1K cheaper

944 Man

1,814 posts

139 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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agent006 said:
944 Man said:
I suspect that straight into C+E drivers will really struggle to find decent work, or maybe any work.
944 Man said:
How do you know how direct access new passes will be regarded when there aren’t any yet?
Because it can already be extremely difficult and it has been impossible for some. It isn’t going to be easier, is it?

Smint

1,987 posts

42 months

Tuesday 9th November 2021
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Every single lorry driver out there, not just here but all over the world, was a new driver at one time, they all found their way into the industry.

Mostly they were realistic that the places most likely to give them a start wouldn't normally be the best jobs ever, so long as people realise that passing the test is only the start of learning the job they'll be fine, been at it well over 40 years and every day is still a schoolday.
You won't start on a £43k salary for a 43 hour average week, and you won't be handed the keys to £200+k's worth of brand new premium truck and trailer until you've earned trust over a period of time that you can be relied on to bring it back in one piece and look after it...that latter part looking after tackle is why some drivers get issued new premium vehicles and some (usually the glass half empty bods who can't be arsed) don't.

lost in espace

6,296 posts

214 months

Wednesday 10th November 2021
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944 Man said:
I suspect that straight into C+E drivers will really struggle to find decent work, or maybe any work.
I have seen adverts saying they will take new drivers here in Herts.

The problem with going straight for C+E will be that there aren't enough trucks for everyone if they go straight for this.