New test coming in on the 15th of November...
Discussion
I have my class 1 booked for the 15th so will be interesting how training companies go about the reversing and uncoupling test before hand.
does make me wonder if there is a standardised process in place across the board
Some rules about learning to drive an HGV and bus or coach are going to change on 15 November 2021 (subject to Parliamentary approval). The changes affect:
what you’re allowed to learn to drive and take your driving test in
how the driving test works
What you can learn to drive and take your driving test in
Lorries
You currently have to learn to drive and pass a driving test in a large rigid lorry (category C) before you can learn to drive and take a test in a large articulated lorry (category CE).
The law is going to change so that you’ll be able to:
learn to drive in an articulated lorry when you get your first provisional lorry licence from 15 November 2021 (if you already have a provisional licence, you’ll need to take extra steps to upgrade your provisional licence)
take your test in a large articulated lorry without having to pass one in a large rigid lorry first
You’ll still be able to learn to drive and take a driving test in a large rigid lorry (category C) if you do not want to drive anything larger.
When you pass your test in a large articulated lorry, you’ll then be allowed to drive:
a medium-sized lorry (C1)
a medium-sized lorry towing a trailer (C1E)
a large rigid lorry (C)
a large articulated lorry (CE)
Medium-sized lorries
This change will also apply to medium-sized lorries towing a trailer (category C1E).
This means you’ll be able to learn to drive a medium-sized lorry towing a trailer (category C1E) and take your test in one, without having to pass a test in a medium-sized lorry (category C1) first.
When you pass your test in a medium-sized lorry towing a trailer, you’ll then be allowed to drive:
a medium-sized lorry (C1)
a medium-sized lorry towing a trailer (C1E)
Buses and coaches
You currently have to learn to drive and pass a driving test in a bus or coach (category D) before you can learn to drive and take a test in a bus or coach towing a trailer (category DE).
The law is going to change so that you’ll be able to:
learn to drive in a bus or coach towing a trailer when you get your first provisional bus licence from 15 November 2021 (if you already have a provisional licence, you’ll need to take extra steps to upgrade your provisional licence)
take your test in a bus or coach towing a trailer without having to pass one in just a bus or coach first
You’ll still be able to learn to drive and take a driving test in a bus or coach (category D) if you do not want to tow trailers.
When you pass your test in a bus or coach towing a trailer, you’ll then be allowed to drive:
a minibus (D1)
a minibus towing a trailer (D1E)
a bus or coach (D)
a bus or coach towing a trailer (DE)
Minibuses
This change will also apply to minibuses towing a trailer (category D1E).
This means you’ll be able to learn to drive a minibus towing a trailer (category D1E) and take your test in one, without having to pass a test in just a minibus (category D1) first.
When you pass your test in a minibus towing a trailer, you’ll then be allowed to drive:
a minibus (D1)
a minibus towing a trailer (D1E)
What you can do until the law changes
Until the law changes on 15 November 2021, you must continue to follow the current rules about what you’re allowed to drive when you’re a learner driver.
You can be fined up to £1,000, be banned from driving and get up to 6 penalty points on your driving licence if you drive a vehicle that’s not on your driving licence.
What you need to do about your provisional licence
The changes mean that you’ll get extra provisional categories when you apply for your provisional licence for an HGV or bus.
What you need to do depends on when DVLA processes your application for a provisional licence.
If you already have a provisional vocational licence or if DVLA processes your application before 15 November
Your provisional licence will not be automatically upgraded to allow you tow if either:
you already have a provisional licence
DVLA processes your application for a provisional licence before 15 November
You will need to apply to DVLA from 15 November to get your provisional licence upgraded so you can take a trailer test without first taking a rigid test.
If DVLA processes your first provisional vocational licence from 15 November
If DVLA processes your first provisional vocational licence from 15 November you’ll automatically be allowed to tow a trailer as a provisional licence holder.
Changes to the Driver CPC part 3 (driving ability) test
The Driver Certificate of Professional Competence (CPC) part 3 (driving ability) test is 1 of the 4 tests you have to pass to drive a lorry or bus for a living.
The test is going to be split into 2 parts from 15 November 2021:
Driver CPC part 3a (off-road exercises) test
Driver CPC part 3b (on-road driving) test
Until the rules change, you need to continue following the existing rules about learning to drive an HGV or bus.
Driver CPC part 3a (off-road exercises) test
The Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA) will allow training organisations to carry out the Driver CPC part 3a test.
The person who trains you will not be allowed to carry out your Driver CPC part 3a test - it will need to be another trainer.
The off-road exercises will still include:
an ‘S’ shaped reverse into a bay
showing the uncoupling and recoupling procedure if you’re taking a test with a trailer
The test will still be assessed to the same standard.
You will need to pass the Driver CPC part 3a test before you can take the Driver CPC part 3b test.
Driver CPC part 3b (on-road driving) test
DVSA will continue to provide the Driver CPC part 3b test.
The test will still include:
vehicle safety questions (known as the ‘show me, tell me’ questions)
practical on-road driving
The driving test appointment time will reduce slightly because the off-road exercises will have already been tested.
does make me wonder if there is a standardised process in place across the board
Some rules about learning to drive an HGV and bus or coach are going to change on 15 November 2021 (subject to Parliamentary approval). The changes affect:
what you’re allowed to learn to drive and take your driving test in
how the driving test works
What you can learn to drive and take your driving test in
Lorries
You currently have to learn to drive and pass a driving test in a large rigid lorry (category C) before you can learn to drive and take a test in a large articulated lorry (category CE).
The law is going to change so that you’ll be able to:
learn to drive in an articulated lorry when you get your first provisional lorry licence from 15 November 2021 (if you already have a provisional licence, you’ll need to take extra steps to upgrade your provisional licence)
take your test in a large articulated lorry without having to pass one in a large rigid lorry first
You’ll still be able to learn to drive and take a driving test in a large rigid lorry (category C) if you do not want to drive anything larger.
When you pass your test in a large articulated lorry, you’ll then be allowed to drive:
a medium-sized lorry (C1)
a medium-sized lorry towing a trailer (C1E)
a large rigid lorry (C)
a large articulated lorry (CE)
Medium-sized lorries
This change will also apply to medium-sized lorries towing a trailer (category C1E).
This means you’ll be able to learn to drive a medium-sized lorry towing a trailer (category C1E) and take your test in one, without having to pass a test in a medium-sized lorry (category C1) first.
When you pass your test in a medium-sized lorry towing a trailer, you’ll then be allowed to drive:
a medium-sized lorry (C1)
a medium-sized lorry towing a trailer (C1E)
Buses and coaches
You currently have to learn to drive and pass a driving test in a bus or coach (category D) before you can learn to drive and take a test in a bus or coach towing a trailer (category DE).
The law is going to change so that you’ll be able to:
learn to drive in a bus or coach towing a trailer when you get your first provisional bus licence from 15 November 2021 (if you already have a provisional licence, you’ll need to take extra steps to upgrade your provisional licence)
take your test in a bus or coach towing a trailer without having to pass one in just a bus or coach first
You’ll still be able to learn to drive and take a driving test in a bus or coach (category D) if you do not want to tow trailers.
When you pass your test in a bus or coach towing a trailer, you’ll then be allowed to drive:
a minibus (D1)
a minibus towing a trailer (D1E)
a bus or coach (D)
a bus or coach towing a trailer (DE)
Minibuses
This change will also apply to minibuses towing a trailer (category D1E).
This means you’ll be able to learn to drive a minibus towing a trailer (category D1E) and take your test in one, without having to pass a test in just a minibus (category D1) first.
When you pass your test in a minibus towing a trailer, you’ll then be allowed to drive:
a minibus (D1)
a minibus towing a trailer (D1E)
What you can do until the law changes
Until the law changes on 15 November 2021, you must continue to follow the current rules about what you’re allowed to drive when you’re a learner driver.
You can be fined up to £1,000, be banned from driving and get up to 6 penalty points on your driving licence if you drive a vehicle that’s not on your driving licence.
What you need to do about your provisional licence
The changes mean that you’ll get extra provisional categories when you apply for your provisional licence for an HGV or bus.
What you need to do depends on when DVLA processes your application for a provisional licence.
If you already have a provisional vocational licence or if DVLA processes your application before 15 November
Your provisional licence will not be automatically upgraded to allow you tow if either:
you already have a provisional licence
DVLA processes your application for a provisional licence before 15 November
You will need to apply to DVLA from 15 November to get your provisional licence upgraded so you can take a trailer test without first taking a rigid test.
If DVLA processes your first provisional vocational licence from 15 November
If DVLA processes your first provisional vocational licence from 15 November you’ll automatically be allowed to tow a trailer as a provisional licence holder.
Changes to the Driver CPC part 3 (driving ability) test
The Driver Certificate of Professional Competence (CPC) part 3 (driving ability) test is 1 of the 4 tests you have to pass to drive a lorry or bus for a living.
The test is going to be split into 2 parts from 15 November 2021:
Driver CPC part 3a (off-road exercises) test
Driver CPC part 3b (on-road driving) test
Until the rules change, you need to continue following the existing rules about learning to drive an HGV or bus.
Driver CPC part 3a (off-road exercises) test
The Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA) will allow training organisations to carry out the Driver CPC part 3a test.
The person who trains you will not be allowed to carry out your Driver CPC part 3a test - it will need to be another trainer.
The off-road exercises will still include:
an ‘S’ shaped reverse into a bay
showing the uncoupling and recoupling procedure if you’re taking a test with a trailer
The test will still be assessed to the same standard.
You will need to pass the Driver CPC part 3a test before you can take the Driver CPC part 3b test.
Driver CPC part 3b (on-road driving) test
DVSA will continue to provide the Driver CPC part 3b test.
The test will still include:
vehicle safety questions (known as the ‘show me, tell me’ questions)
practical on-road driving
The driving test appointment time will reduce slightly because the off-road exercises will have already been tested.
HelterSkelter said:
When I did my Class 2 I practiced the reverse maneuver in the yard of the training school. I assume nothing changes and they simply sign you off after proving you can repeatedly do it after 'X' amount of times?
Yeah I'd assume it was something like that with maybe spot checks to be put in place eventually or even simpler the training company would record people doing it and keep it x amount of time the amount of people that seem to think that the new test rules mean no reversing will be taught is shocking.
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