PSV drivers hours

[waynedear]

A mate has written a play, main character is a nat express driver, he has put a bit in about having to take a break after 4 hours, I think it’s 5 1/2hours, is that right ?

[Oggs]

Max of 4 1/2 hrs driving before a break is needed of no less than 45 mins or 6 hrs before working time break with a break of no less than 30 mins.

[waynedear]

Oggs said:

Max of 4 1/2 hrs driving before a break is needed of no less than 45 mins or 6 hrs before working time break with a break of no less than 30 mins.

Thanks Oggs.

[Dan-k]

I’d double check that info - on cpc I kinda remember the guy saying it was 5hrs 30 for the break.

If you google it confirms that it’s 5hr30.

[Oggs]

When did it change from 4 1/2 hrs driving or 6hrs WTD?
Even looking on the .gov website it still shows 4 1/2 hrs.

[DavePanda]

Dan-k said:

I’d double check that info - on cpc I kinda remember the guy saying it was 5hrs 30 for the break.

If you google it confirms that it’s 5hr30.

It really isn't and never has been.

4.5 hours driving or 6 hours combined driving/work

[Jaguar99]

Dan-k said:

I’d double check that info - on cpc I kinda remember the guy saying it was 5hrs 30 for the break.

If you google it confirms that it’s 5hr30.

It is 5h30 if an domestic rules work (eg local buses, less than 50km, timetabled)

For everything else (which would include Nat Ex) the limit is 4h30

[minky monkey]

Does the play get interrupted by a dvsa inspector halfway through to ensure its marked as other work?

[FiF]

The bit that always puzzles me a bit is "If you work as a driver for a company, duty time is any working time. If you’re self-employed, duty time is only time you spend driving the vehicle or doing other work related to the vehicle or its load."

[Dan-k]

Oggs said:

When did it change from 4 1/2 hrs driving or 6hrs WTD?
Even looking on the .gov website it still shows 4 1/2 hrs.

I’m not a expert on tacho bks tbh but I remember the cpc guy saying something about it, I googled it out of slight interest and found this page -

Under the - Breaks and continuous driving - section it mentions 5hr 30 mins.

https://www.gov.uk/drivers-hours/gb-domestic-rules

I may/prob be misunderstanding the rules as I said, but it does state 5hrs 30mins?

Edited by Dan-k on Sunday 17th October 09:36

[Oggs]

Dan-k said:

Oggs said:

When did it change from 4 1/2 hrs driving or 6hrs WTD?
Even looking on the .gov website it still shows 4 1/2 hrs.

I’m not a expert on tacho bks tbh but I remember the cpc guy saying something about it, I googled it out of slight interest and found this page -

Under the - Breaks and continuous driving - section it mentions 5hr 30 mins.

https://www.gov.uk/drivers-hours/gb-domestic-rules

I may/prob be misunderstanding the rules as I said but it does state 5hrs 30mins?

At the end of the day it comes down to whether they are under GB rules or EU to whether its 4 1/2 or 5 1/2

[Dan-k]

Oggs said:

Dan-k said:

Oggs said:

When did it change from 4 1/2 hrs driving or 6hrs WTD?
Even looking on the .gov website it still shows 4 1/2 hrs.

I’m not a expert on tacho bks tbh but I remember the cpc guy saying something about it, I googled it out of slight interest and found this page -

Under the - Breaks and continuous driving - section it mentions 5hr 30 mins.

https://www.gov.uk/drivers-hours/gb-domestic-rules

I may/prob be misunderstanding the rules as I said but it does state 5hrs 30mins?

At the end of the day it comes down to whether they are under GB rules or EU to whether its 4 1/2 or 5 1/2

That may be true, but it does say 5 1/2 hrs on the government website?

[Oggs]

That may be true, but it does say 5 1/2 hrs on the government website?

If you also look on the website under EU and Aetr you'll also see 4 1/2hrs, as said depends what rules are being applied.

[Dan-k]

Your first comment

Oggs said:

When did it change from 4 1/2 hrs driving or 6hrs WTD?
Even looking on the .gov website it still shows 4 1/2 hrs.

No mention of that a 5 1/2 hr rule exists. Even quoting gov website to disprove me saying it didn’t.

Comment after being corrected.

Oggs said:

That may be true, but it does say 5 1/2 hrs on the government website?

If you also look on the website under EU and Aetr you'll also see 4 1/2hrs, as said depends what rules are being applied.

I never said 4 1/2 hr didn’t exist, I said you need to check the info as the cpc guy mentioned 5 1/2hrs in the course.

[Oggs]

Well I answered the question with the answer for EU rules to which another poster agreed that National Express work under which you said was 5 1/2 which is GB domestic hence why I asked when did it change.
What are you trying to prove?
As said both sides of the argument work it depends on what rules they are working too.

[FiF]

Surely National Express mostly operate under EU/AETR rules as follows.

Over 8 seats, regular national or international journey over 50kms.

[FiF]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I asked this question in the bus w**ker thread after seeing something in a Twitter thread.

In short (art arf) considering the case above the way it was suggested bus companies get round this was as follows. You have a bus route from A to C via B that is 60km long which is going to give you trouble with drivers hours. Solution is that service 31, say, sets off from A, travels to B where service 31 ends. The bus and driver then have a short timetabled compulsory stop at B, before then setting off on service 45 from B to C. Thus all routes below 50km.

On the Twitter thread mentioned what happened was that the first service was running late, arrived at B after departure time for the next service, so it just treated B like a normal stop which showed it up as a bit of a fiddle, which it is.

[cts1975]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Some NatEx route can run on Domestic.
You can drive a bus/coach to a route starting any distance away e.g.100km away. Then drive a pre planned route a maximum distance of 50km and then return back to your base 100km away all under Domestic.
The '50km rule' for Domestic Rules is calculated from the first scheduled stop along a pre planned route until the last scheduled stop along a pre planned route.
The word 'radius' does not feature in PSV regs.

Edited by cts1975 on Friday 29th October 15:54