Proposed changes to vehicle licenses.
Discussion
Couldn't see this anywhere else. Government consultation on vehicle licensing. It peaked my interest as I just missed out on the B+E having passed my test in 1997.
Although it has other implications for HGV as well.
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/change...
Although it has other implications for HGV as well.
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/change...
I skimmed through it but may be wrong, but didn’t it say you still have to do C before C+E, but you got provisional for both at the same time?
As for B+E, judging on lots of caravan owners road skills I think would do nothing than increas the number of them that spread all over the road down in Cornwall every summer!
As for B+E, judging on lots of caravan owners road skills I think would do nothing than increas the number of them that spread all over the road down in Cornwall every summer!
i'm not sure restricting younger people towing will make a difference to crashes, just because someone has the rights to do it at 70 doesn't make them a better driver with a trailer.
I think making trailers be maintained to a certain standard of a basic MOT would be far more useful to the number of crashes. Most caravans do 1 trip a year and sit on the tyres the rest of the time and maybe never get changed in the lifetime that is far worse than a 20 year old towing a fully up together trailer.
I think making trailers be maintained to a certain standard of a basic MOT would be far more useful to the number of crashes. Most caravans do 1 trip a year and sit on the tyres the rest of the time and maybe never get changed in the lifetime that is far worse than a 20 year old towing a fully up together trailer.
petery27 said:
i'm not sure restricting younger people towing will make a difference to crashes, just because someone has the rights to do it at 70 doesn't make them a better driver with a trailer.
I think making trailers be maintained to a certain standard of a basic MOT would be far more useful to the number of crashes. Most caravans do 1 trip a year and sit on the tyres the rest of the time and maybe never get changed in the lifetime that is far worse than a 20 year old towing a fully up together trailer.
I have to agree with this. I think making trailers be maintained to a certain standard of a basic MOT would be far more useful to the number of crashes. Most caravans do 1 trip a year and sit on the tyres the rest of the time and maybe never get changed in the lifetime that is far worse than a 20 year old towing a fully up together trailer.
As I am old, I have been able to tow all my driving life and have done quite a few times, only once with a caravan though. It did amaze me that I could take out a caravan that had been sitting for over 2 years on a drive way without any safety checks at all. I did my own checking of course in terms of what I could check, but I'm no expert. It seems crazy that it could have been sat there for 20 years and I could have just pumped up the tyres and driven off!!
Before 1997 ( i believe it changed then, but happy to be corrected) you could go straight from car licence to class 1 artic ticket, i was one such.
Back in those days the typical training course was 10 days, so full 9 days training and test on the Friday of week 2.
Nothing wrong with that system, there was time to teach proper vehicle control and to get the feel for the vehicle type, also ample time to spend a whole day if needed on the maneuvering pad, which meant a more competent confident driver after the test was passed.
I hope they make a full two week course mandatory for going straight to class 1, should cost no more than 2 x week long courses as present going first rigid then for artic ticket.
Back in those days the typical training course was 10 days, so full 9 days training and test on the Friday of week 2.
Nothing wrong with that system, there was time to teach proper vehicle control and to get the feel for the vehicle type, also ample time to spend a whole day if needed on the maneuvering pad, which meant a more competent confident driver after the test was passed.
I hope they make a full two week course mandatory for going straight to class 1, should cost no more than 2 x week long courses as present going first rigid then for artic ticket.
D1on said:
As someone wanting to obtain a hgv license.
Would i be better waiting for these rules to change before i go in for class 2?
I suspect when the changes are made that a longer training period for straight to class 1 will be part of the package (and rightly so), if so i doubt the present route of classes 2 then 1 will work out any more expensiive or time consuming than doing the lot in one, only downside i can see is you have 2 tests to possibly fail instead of 1.Would i be better waiting for these rules to change before i go in for class 2?
My advice is get it done asap, because new drivers have never had it easier to get a start, and lots of people will be thinking about giving it a go due to the pay increases currently being had.
Smint said:
Before 1997 ( i believe it changed then, but happy to be corrected) you could go straight from car licence to class 1 artic ticket, i was one such.
Back in those days the typical training course was 10 days, so full 9 days training and test on the Friday of week 2.
Nothing wrong with that system, there was time to teach proper vehicle control and to get the feel for the vehicle type, also ample time to spend a whole day if needed on the maneuvering pad, which meant a more competent confident driver after the test was passed.
I hope they make a full two week course mandatory for going straight to class 1, should cost no more than 2 x week long courses as present going first rigid then for artic ticket.
My training was a decade or so before you & it consisted of Monday morning in class room to see if you knew ther frot of the trck to the back, afternoon sit in truck on private ground & make it move forwards etc. Friday morning I took test @9:30Am & passed a fully fledged HGV1Driver. I was so happy I told the Instructor I could hug him he replied "please don't" ....Must admit, for me at the time it was one of the best feelings you can have ...I guess a lottery win supersedes that lolBack in those days the typical training course was 10 days, so full 9 days training and test on the Friday of week 2.
Nothing wrong with that system, there was time to teach proper vehicle control and to get the feel for the vehicle type, also ample time to spend a whole day if needed on the maneuvering pad, which meant a more competent confident driver after the test was passed.
I hope they make a full two week course mandatory for going straight to class 1, should cost no more than 2 x week long courses as present going first rigid then for artic ticket.
Considering that you could, until recently, drive a 40+ tonne concrete maker on the road without even having an HGV licence, straight to C+E shouldn't bother me, but it does. Possibly because of the straight to 'Class 1' heroes that I see on social media and forums.
Instead of deriding 'Class 2' drivers, these fools would be better shutting up and gaining some experience in a rigid wagon: itll be the hardest work they have ever done.
Instead of deriding 'Class 2' drivers, these fools would be better shutting up and gaining some experience in a rigid wagon: itll be the hardest work they have ever done.
Further to my above post it looks like this could be happening sooner rather than later..
https://news.sky.com/story/ministers-to-streamline...
Should I wait before I start my class 2 training?
https://news.sky.com/story/ministers-to-streamline...
Should I wait before I start my class 2 training?
DSVA have published changes in last few mins:
1. BE licence to be scrapped. Everyone who passed B test after 01 Jan 1997 will now be issued with a 'free' BE licence (to be actioned soon)
2. You can now go from B to CE (Class 1 articulated), without the need to pass C (Class 2 rigid) first.
As someone who runs a training school this is quite a big shake up. I feel sorry for friends who's business relies purely on BE training, they have effectively been made redundant at the drop of a hat.
More here: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-take...
1. BE licence to be scrapped. Everyone who passed B test after 01 Jan 1997 will now be issued with a 'free' BE licence (to be actioned soon)
2. You can now go from B to CE (Class 1 articulated), without the need to pass C (Class 2 rigid) first.
As someone who runs a training school this is quite a big shake up. I feel sorry for friends who's business relies purely on BE training, they have effectively been made redundant at the drop of a hat.
More here: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-take...
Triple Six said:
DSVA have published changes in last few mins:
1. BE licence to be scrapped. Everyone who passed B test after 01 Jan 1997 will now be issued with a 'free' BE licence (to be actioned soon)
2. You can now go from B to CE (Class 1 articulated), without the need to pass C (Class 2 rigid) first.
As someone who runs a training school this is quite a big shake up. I feel sorry for friends who's business relies purely on BE training, they have effectively been made redundant at the drop of a hat.
More here: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-take...
How soon do you expect for 1 to be actioned?1. BE licence to be scrapped. Everyone who passed B test after 01 Jan 1997 will now be issued with a 'free' BE licence (to be actioned soon)
2. You can now go from B to CE (Class 1 articulated), without the need to pass C (Class 2 rigid) first.
As someone who runs a training school this is quite a big shake up. I feel sorry for friends who's business relies purely on BE training, they have effectively been made redundant at the drop of a hat.
More here: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-take...
As for your friends, isn't there a shortage of B licence instructors at the moment? I can only assume the money isn't as good, but it might be an opportunity to learn in a different vehicle than the norm.
DaveE87 said:
Triple Six said:
DSVA have published changes in last few mins:
1. BE licence to be scrapped. Everyone who passed B test after 01 Jan 1997 will now be issued with a 'free' BE licence (to be actioned soon)
2. You can now go from B to CE (Class 1 articulated), without the need to pass C (Class 2 rigid) first.
As someone who runs a training school this is quite a big shake up. I feel sorry for friends who's business relies purely on BE training, they have effectively been made redundant at the drop of a hat.
More here: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-take...
How soon do you expect for 1 to be actioned?1. BE licence to be scrapped. Everyone who passed B test after 01 Jan 1997 will now be issued with a 'free' BE licence (to be actioned soon)
2. You can now go from B to CE (Class 1 articulated), without the need to pass C (Class 2 rigid) first.
As someone who runs a training school this is quite a big shake up. I feel sorry for friends who's business relies purely on BE training, they have effectively been made redundant at the drop of a hat.
More here: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-take...
As for your friends, isn't there a shortage of B licence instructors at the moment? I can only assume the money isn't as good, but it might be an opportunity to learn in a different vehicle than the norm.
DVSA said:
As a result of these changes, all car drivers will be able to tow a trailer weighing up to 3,500kg without the need for an additional test when the law is changed, which will be as soon as possible.
To make more lorry tests available, DVSA will not be carrying out any car and trailer tests from 20 September.
To make more lorry tests available, DVSA will not be carrying out any car and trailer tests from 20 September.
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