Why aren't 4x4 vans common?

Why aren't 4x4 vans common?

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caelite

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4,282 posts

119 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Question is the title.

Every tradesman in the UK seems to drive around in either a Transit Custom type van, or a crew cab pickup. Both vehicles are extremely versatile, the crew cab being a very capable vehicle off the beaten track with a good amount of driver/family space seperate from the cargo, however you just can't beat a small van for versatility of having a work space in the back with room for nicely organised tools & equipment.

My question is, why has nobody tried to combine these vehicles? You get big 3.5tonners in 4wd flavour (big Transits, Sprinters & particularly Iveco chassis cabs are very capable). However nobody seems to offer this in tradesman van size (something that will fit in a normal parking space & drive into a multistory/through a drivethrough). I am wondering why, as it seems to be the biggest complaint amongst tradesmen around here (rural Scotland), is you either pick a transit which you can nicely organise a toolbox in, or a crew cab which will get you through all snow and as far off road as you will ever be expected to go, but with a crappy load area (good for hay bales/pallets, bad for tools). The only manufacturer who seems to offer close to soft road capability is PSA with their fancy terrain response FWD diff. There are also 4x4 conversions sold aftermarket, but are pricey and rare.

4Q

3,480 posts

151 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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You can get a VW transporter 4x4

red_slr

18,184 posts

196 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Cost
Production line complexity
Emissions / mpg
Actual use of the vehicle / customer demand
Weight
etc
etc

JJ55

684 posts

122 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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4Q said:
You can get a VW transporter 4x4
Yep the transporter 4motion.

Jag_NE

3,100 posts

107 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Vast majority of vans are bought for cost reasons, initial cost and mpg etc. 4x4 in this country is a passenger car luxury in the vast majority of cases, for 364 days a year.

MellowshipSlinky

14,939 posts

196 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Ford used to make a 4wd transit

Evanivitch

22,075 posts

129 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Isn't it usually a packaging issue?

Would probably have to raise the load floor to do it, which is big loss of space in a smaller van.

Pick-up truck with a coach body on the back would make sense. Rare in the UK but normal in North America and Australia.

gazza285

10,186 posts

215 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Lack of demand mainly, and expense, including running costs.

SimonTheSailor

12,703 posts

235 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Can't you get a 4wd Sprinter - use to.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

193 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Pretty sure you can get a 4x4 big Transit but it's a silly money option.

B17NNS

18,506 posts

254 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Because 4 wheel drive is not needed by the vast majority of van owners/drivers I’d imagine. It’s a pretty niche requirement.

Certain variants of Transit, Sprinter and Transporter can be had with AWD though.

lyonspride

2,978 posts

162 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Don't 4x4 require some common sense and mechanical sympathy, as well as avoiding fitting different brands of cheap junk tyres on each corner? I can't see that working out very well on a vehicle that is traditionally driven by neaderthals and gets ragged to within an inch of it's life on a daily basis.....

KillerHERTZ

1,018 posts

205 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Mercedes make a new shape 4X4 Sprinter that is available over here.



Saw one on way home tonight, look really high up.

TCS1

603 posts

142 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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Discovery, Shogan, Outlander - all had commercial variants. Some companies covert Jeeps and Volvos to commercial use. SSE use kingcab pickups and the sprinter 4x4 where I am.

Trevor450

1,827 posts

155 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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TCS1 said:
Discovery, Shogan, Outlander - all had commercial variants. Some companies covert Jeeps and Volvos to commercial use.
Defender 90 & 110 until they were discontinued too. My Defender is classed as a van.

finlo

3,840 posts

210 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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MellowshipSlinky said:
Ford used to make a 4wd transit
Think they were outsourced to County, probably only bought in small numbers by a few utility companies

B17NNS

18,506 posts

254 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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finlo said:
Think they were outsourced to County, probably only bought in small numbers by a few utility companies
I remember seeing those as a kid. Massive chunky tyres, riding high with a cherry picker on top smile

texaxile

3,394 posts

157 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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finlo said:
Think they were outsourced to County, probably only bought in small numbers by a few utility companies
I seem to recall the National Grid using them in the early / mid 90's. Green and white with big ground clearance.

MellowshipSlinky

14,939 posts

196 months

Mercury00

4,140 posts

163 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2019
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We get 4x4 Iveco Dailys in at work. They're jacked right up and the turning circle is horrific. They look cool though.