What Are The Polish Vans Carrying?

What Are The Polish Vans Carrying?

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Tannedbaldhead

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2,952 posts

138 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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Anyone noticed a hellova lot of brand new Ford and FIAT Luton sized (approx 3.5ton) curtain sided as opposed to panelled Polish vans everywhere?
They are clean, signed in Polish and have Polish telephone numbers on the side.
I reckon they are limited to 56mph as I always see them in lanes 1 and 2 mixing it with the HGVs.
I assumed they are carrying cargos from the continent and dropping them off here but seems odd and uneconomic to use such small vehicles on long hauls.
I also wondered if they were working over here as haulage contractors picking up and dropping off loads from the UK or just individual items/parcels door to door for the likes of Amazon (That said all my parcels are being delivered by our own usual suspects).
Anyone in the know?

Edited by Tannedbaldhead on Monday 12th November 11:48

Hammer67

5,854 posts

190 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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These can carry nearly as much as a 7.5 tonner and the drivers hours are not limited by tachos.

A very common sight on the M20, and they sure ain't limited to 56mph, 96 possibly.

So basically a loophole vehicle: decent payload, drive it all day and night, no speed limiter.

TwistingMyMelon

6,390 posts

211 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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I wondered this, I was up in Cheshire and saw loads like this, some have a little cabin above the driver. There was a layby with about 5-10 all parked up all from Poland

Jag_NE

3,073 posts

106 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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Yup, also seen a lot of them, Romanian plates also. Agree with a poster above, lots of potential benefits in terms of economy that result in working conditions that a lot of UK drivers may not be too chuffed about. Massively cheaper up front cost versus a 7.5 tonner too.

Nickyboy

6,700 posts

240 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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Most of them work on the automotive supply chain, just in time deliveries to the production lines and similar. They don't carry anywhere near as much as a 7.5 tonner, they only have about a 1.5 ton payload but as someone said no tacho laws to adhere to

Whatsmyname

944 posts

83 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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Pledge?

Pericoloso

44,044 posts

169 months

Monday 12th November 2018
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Common sight on the M20 as literally 2 dozen or more on every ferry in or out of Dover.

lawrencec

199 posts

198 months

Tuesday 13th November 2018
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They carry alsorts of cargo small machines to medicines

The advantage is they are not subject to tacho ruling so can run through out the night and make the uk by morning.

As far as I understand they only get paid when on a job hence why you see loads parked up waiting for a load to head back home

They normally carry around a ton often overloaded

grumpy52

5,694 posts

172 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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As many have said they aren't restricted by tacho laws so cover large distances in one hit . They tend to carry lighter items in bulk for the supply chain of the automotive industries or aerospace manufacturers. Yes many are overloaded.
Rumours abound through the EU that everything over 2 tonnes will be going onto tacho rules in the future. German spec commercials already have tachos fitted .

Tannedbaldhead

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2,952 posts

138 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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grumpy52 said:
As many have said they aren't restricted by tacho laws so cover large distances in one hit . They tend to carry lighter items in bulk for the supply chain of the automotive industries or aerospace manufacturers. Yes many are overloaded.
Rumours abound through the EU that everything over 2 tonnes will be going onto tacho rules in the future. German spec commercials already have tachos fitted .
Dear God! Everything over 2 tons is everything bigger than a Berlingo/Partner sized van.

Decky_Q

1,626 posts

183 months

Thursday 15th November 2018
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We had our sofa bed delivered by one of these vans and then polish vodka for our wedding was ordered here and arrived on one from Poland.
Driver said they do one circuit a week, about 2 days gathering up allsorts of small orders, 2 days getting here, a day here delivering and then 2 days back. They will usually buy primark clothes or car parts to fill the van on the return journey.

Some Guy

2,198 posts

97 months

Saturday 24th November 2018
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We had one turn up at work to deliver a couple of server cabinets to the Netherlands.
Driver was Romanian and turned up wearing trackies and flip flops. The truck was a curtain sider with a sleeper above the cab.

Guy was happy as this load got him a paid return trip home. Truck was already carrying loads of second hand clothes.

AgentZ

276 posts

134 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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Hammer67 said:
These can carry nearly as much as a 7.5 tonner and the drivers hours are not limited by tachos.

A very common sight on the M20, and they sure ain't limited to 56mph, 96 possibly.

So basically a loophole vehicle: decent payload, drive it all day and night, no speed limiter.
Is that true, legally speaking, driving a company car/van? Reason I ask is at my work recently I've been told no more longer deliveries in the van or car that results in more than 9 hours.

I said it wasn't illegal as the rules applied to tacho'd vehicles to no avail.

aka_kerrly

12,488 posts

216 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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^^^ there are often 2 or sometimes 3 guys on board to allow continual driving for hours.

I suspect some of these vans need to be monitored as they will be in the UK for more than 6 months without being UK registered/VED paid plus no speed cameras an anpr to worry about either....

AgentZ

276 posts

134 months

Tuesday 11th December 2018
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aka_kerrly said:
^^^ there are often 2 or sometimes 3 guys on board to allow continual driving for hours.

I suspect some of these vans need to be monitored as they will be in the UK for more than 6 months without being UK registered/VED paid plus no speed cameras an anpr to worry about either....
I'm sure multiple drivers is true in some cases but I have seen plenty of single crewed Luton-like vans but most I see are Romanian registered. I'm personally completely fine if my work want to limit the hours, I'm more curious to know if I really have been breaking any law by doing deliveries to say Scotland even though I've always had plenty of breaks?

The first thing that tells me it isn't illegal is we know the big courier companies are single crewed and do 12+ hours days but still keep second guessing myself.

Jimmy Recard

17,546 posts

185 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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AgentZ said:
I'm sure multiple drivers is true in some cases but I have seen plenty of single crewed Luton-like vans but most I see are Romanian registered. I'm personally completely fine if my work want to limit the hours, I'm more curious to know if I really have been breaking any law by doing deliveries to say Scotland even though I've always had plenty of breaks?

The first thing that tells me it isn't illegal is we know the big courier companies are single crewed and do 12+ hours days but still keep second guessing myself.
If you’re under 3500kg, you can run as long as you like until you feel tired. If you had an accident after 18 hours of driving, I don’t think it’d go well for you though

Super Slo Mo

5,368 posts

204 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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Jimmy Recard said:
If you’re under 3500kg, you can run as long as you like until you feel tired. If you had an accident after 18 hours of driving, I don’t think it’d go well for you though
Not correct. They come under British domestic rules in this country (and presumably similar abroad), which is a max of 10 hours driving and 11 hours duty (if driving more than 4 hours) in any 24 hour period.
There is also a requirement for a 45 minute break to be taken after a certain amount of driving, it’s longer than the 4.5 hour tacho rule and is, I think in the 5.5 hour region.

ETA: that said, it isn’t policed in any way.

Chrisgr31

13,672 posts

261 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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AgentZ said:
Is that true, legally speaking, driving a company car/van? Reason I ask is at my work recently I've been told no more longer deliveries in the van or car that results in more than 9 hours.

I said it wasn't illegal as the rules applied to tacho'd vehicles to no avail.
A responsible employer will also have their eye on their liability to ensure that if one of their drivers is involved in an accident they cannot be held liable. If I drive on business company rules mean I have to stop for a rest every 2 hours. If I chose to ignore the rules its probably up to me, but in the event of an accident my employer would be pointing at their rules.

Watchman

6,391 posts

251 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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I know what they're carrying because my wife is Polish and uses their services. This time of year these vans are carrying Christmas presents to and from Poland to families on either side. They charge by the box-size, usually by negotiation and massively cheaper than using the formal mail services.

AgentZ

276 posts

134 months

Wednesday 12th December 2018
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I think the last two posts sums up the confusion! I took a look at the GB domestic rules and.....Can't make head nor tail of it:

https://www.gov.uk/drivers-hours/gb-domestic-rules (this section of the .gov website is even listed as 'Lorry, bus and coach drivers'!?)

Mentions Goods vehicles and Passanger-carrying vehicles and even talks about keeping weekly records sheet or tachograph? Something doesn't add up.

Like I say, I can't see any of these rules (laws?) being for company cars or vans under 3.5 tonne as courier drivers/ 50-80k/yr company reps etc would be breaking the rules daily.

Not that I will complain if my work knock the longer deliveries on the head. Just the principal of knowing for sure if I have broken the law (not rules) in the past without realising.