Question for Roger

[GC8]

Is there any reason that you cannot have a sixteen hour working day providing that driver's hours and working time rests and limits are observed, where the following day's starting times are not fixed and can be moved forward to accommodate a nine-eleven hour rest period?

The 15hr maximum that is accepted appears to me to be the result of a reduced rest period example (24hrs - 9hrs rest = 15hrs), but this example uses a fixed start time.

The rules are far from straightforward but I don't ever recall seeing a limit on a working day, only minimum rest periods and 3x reduced rest periods per week. The conclusion drawn in the examples is that this equates to a maximum duty period of fifteen hours, but the example appears to be flawed and inaccurate where drivers do not have a fixed starting time.

Edited by GC8 on Wednesday 27th August 14:37

[grumpy52]

I think the rest rule prohibits this as the rule is minimum of 9hrs rest in 24hr period .9 +15 = 24

[chilistrucker]

grumpy52 said:

I think the rest rule prohibits this as the rule is minimum of 9hrs rest in 24hr period .9 +15 = 24

+1
You did used to be able to do a 16 hour shift, but only if during the 16 hour period you had a consecutive break of 4 hours. IIRC, at the end of the 16 hour shift you could also have a reduced daily rest of 8 hours

I think i'm right, well 99% ish.

[skatty]

chilistrucker said:

+1
You did used to be able to do a 16 hour shift, but only if during the 16 hour period you had a consecutive break of 4 hours. IIRC, at the end of the 16 hour shift you could also have a reduced daily rest of 8 hours

I think i'm right, well 99% ish.

Yep i used that one before, about fifteen years ago, never knew it,s not valid anymore..............

[GC8]

Thanks for the replies so far. All of my experience is in one unique discipline (think Hell Drivers!) so long days aren't something that I had had any direct experience of.

Always on break, too...

[leggly]

Why the hell would you want to?

Edited by leggly on Thursday 28th August 16:19

[R0G]

the rules state that within 24 hours of finishing a rest period a driver must have a daily rest period of at least 9 hours

[GC8]

Thank you.

[grumpy52]

Try getting your head round the double manned rules ,21 hrs on duty gets a bit knackering , mind you can cover a lot of miles in that time .

[chilistrucker]

grumpy52 said:

Try getting your head round the double manned rules ,21 hrs on duty gets a bit knackering , mind you can cover a lot of miles in that time .

We get it on tours if time is tight, most of us don't like it, gets knackering.
Last year did Istanbul to Prague via Romania and Bulgaria, then Frankfurt and Copenhagen all double driven, rubbish!!!!!

[cravir]

grumpy52 said:

Try getting your head round the double manned rules ,21 hrs on duty gets a bit knackering , mind you can cover a lot of miles in that time .

Is it right that you have to take some of your rest in a stationary vehicle, and this is a recent change from having all of your rest in a moving one?

I (not a driver) had to get a 20t rotor collected from Finland, and back to the UK as fast as possible (not cost no object, but almost!). I suggested double manning to an agent, but he said that this didn't save as much time as it used to, as this change was introduced to prevent abuse.

[R0G]

cravir said:

Is it right that you have to take some of your rest in a stationary vehicle, and this is a recent change from having all of your rest in a moving one?

I (not a driver) had to get a 20t rotor collected from Finland, and back to the UK as fast as possible (not cost no object, but almost!). I suggested double manning to an agent, but he said that this didn't save as much time as it used to, as this change was introduced to prevent abuse.

Rest must be taken in a stationary vehicle
Break can be taken in a moving vehicle