Poor / Dangerous driving - evidence on dash cam
Discussion
from experience, what do you think would happen if someone sent in video footage to your HR departments /Boss of their commercial sign written vehicles :-
Elephant racing
Rolling road blocking
Moving into lane 2 when traffic is already present & forcing traffic to take avoiding action
I am amassing quite a collection of footage over the last few weeks - particularly on the 2 lane carriageways of East Anglia the video is time and date stamped + is 1080P HD so number plates etc are totally readable.
There is a serious increase in video equipped cars now.
What would be the likely outcome of the offices receiving this footage of such events?
Elephant racing
Rolling road blocking
Moving into lane 2 when traffic is already present & forcing traffic to take avoiding action
I am amassing quite a collection of footage over the last few weeks - particularly on the 2 lane carriageways of East Anglia the video is time and date stamped + is 1080P HD so number plates etc are totally readable.
There is a serious increase in video equipped cars now.
What would be the likely outcome of the offices receiving this footage of such events?
I am not a fleet director nor in human resources, however I do have to wonder why people have dash cams, let alone save the footage. However I really can't get excited about elephant racing, I let out trucks when it is clear they want to overtake because the hold up to me is measured in seconds, it is also clear that in heavy traffic they would never get out. Even in occasional instances that mean I have to brake hard I can't get too excited after all, all drivers make mistakes. I wouldn't want my boss installing a dash cam in my car as he might find me speeding, he might find me shopping in a supermarket, etc so as I am not a saint I am not going to report poor driving. I do on the other hand report considerate driving on the basis I bet drivers get a lot more bad reports than good reports.
I guess that in the real world most fleet or hr managers will just right back to the submitter thanking them for their footage and stating they are investigating. Many will then chuck it in the bin, some will show it round their office and laugh at the idiot who sent it in, one or two may take action which may result in someone losing their job.
So if you believe your driving is beyond repproach at all times send it in, if it isn't consider yourself lucky you don't drive a signwritten vehicle and therefore people cant report you.
I guess that in the real world most fleet or hr managers will just right back to the submitter thanking them for their footage and stating they are investigating. Many will then chuck it in the bin, some will show it round their office and laugh at the idiot who sent it in, one or two may take action which may result in someone losing their job.
So if you believe your driving is beyond repproach at all times send it in, if it isn't consider yourself lucky you don't drive a signwritten vehicle and therefore people cant report you.
Chrisgr31 said:
however I do have to wonder why people have dash cams, let alone save the footage.
Proof of fault for insurance purposes- as in, it wasn't me guv' I for one am fed up of 50:50 decisions made by Insurance firms when I've been hit at no fault of my own.That said keeping footage is abit nerdy if it has no value. Some camera allow you to hit a button and capture the previous 30seconds of footage if you witness something funny.
On the dash cam, I am considering one. I have been hit twice this year and believe that had I had footage of both incidents I would have had my repairs paid for by now, rather than the 6 months of finger pointing for one, and complete lies by the other, resulting in me currently being out of pocket by my £650 excess and running around in a car that currently has a remodelled rear quarter.
On the actual indidents.
Elephant Racing - Meh, Havign driven a speed limited vehicle I have done the same, every little helps!
Road blocking - Really? If it's elephant racing but much slower then it's not really road blocking, if they were actually blocking the road then they should be told to stop driving like a t
t.
The overtaking thing is bloody dangerous and they should get in fairly serious trouble for it. I had a saints truck recently pull out to overtake on me. I was in lane 2 in a minibus doing 61, he indicated as he started moving. All fine usually, except his anti submarine bar was level with my front door. I couldn't go into the outside lane due to other traffic so ended up launching on the brakes to avoid being crunched. No driver should get away with that. It's happened other times, but I'm usually in a car, so not alongside lorries for very long.
I also wonder at the conduct of some people in sign written vehicles. Road rage, tailgating, cutting people up and generally driving like a complete tool when you're in a van with a phone number and "how's my driving" sticker is just asking for trouble.
On the actual indidents.
Elephant Racing - Meh, Havign driven a speed limited vehicle I have done the same, every little helps!
Road blocking - Really? If it's elephant racing but much slower then it's not really road blocking, if they were actually blocking the road then they should be told to stop driving like a t
t.The overtaking thing is bloody dangerous and they should get in fairly serious trouble for it. I had a saints truck recently pull out to overtake on me. I was in lane 2 in a minibus doing 61, he indicated as he started moving. All fine usually, except his anti submarine bar was level with my front door. I couldn't go into the outside lane due to other traffic so ended up launching on the brakes to avoid being crunched. No driver should get away with that. It's happened other times, but I'm usually in a car, so not alongside lorries for very long.
I also wonder at the conduct of some people in sign written vehicles. Road rage, tailgating, cutting people up and generally driving like a complete tool when you're in a van with a phone number and "how's my driving" sticker is just asking for trouble.
I work for one of the larger groups in the country and if you sent it to us it would be binned and you would be fobbed off, same as if you phoned up. The only way that anyone would be interested is if you were a high volume client and we were doing it on your property, even then we just get told to calm down when we're on their sites. Most firms that I have been around are the same.
Something will come of it if they are supermarket chains because they have big HR departments for all staff looking for ways to justify their existence, if its a haulage firm then they won't be interested in the slightest.
Something will come of it if they are supermarket chains because they have big HR departments for all staff looking for ways to justify their existence, if its a haulage firm then they won't be interested in the slightest.
Getragdogleg said:
You could become a Policeman.
Ha ha, well theres never one around when you need one, but always one there when you dont).Its not about policing the roads, per se - I just see A LOT of really inconsiderate driving from trucks, have a dashcam, and the facility to show the standard of driving to whoever is interested.
I dont go looking for it - it happens everyday, and everyday its captured on the camera.
I've worked for 5 or 6 (non haulage) companies with signwritten commercial vehicles in my time and all of them took driving complaints about driving very seriously - it was their name which was being affected, the driver would be brought in, asked about the events and it was noted on their internal use only record.
After a couple of complaints about the aformentioned driver they used to pull up the record and say "sorry chum your standard of driving is giving us a bad name, we have asked you to improve, you haven't so we have to let you go". We lost plenty of drivers in this way, but the complaints went down which is what the company wanted.
Interesting to note that there are some companies that would apparently disregard this sort of footage and not take action, irresponsible really - considering the corporate manslaughter act which would apply should that fact come to light after a fatality...
OP,
This whole thread is pointless,you ask the question what would happen if offices got video footage, then later on say you worked for a company that sacked people on public complaints !
You already know the likely answer.
As it is inconsiderate driving happens every day, carried out by inconsiderate people.. Or shock horror,someone actually makes a mistake.
Sending video footage into a company office because I felt disgruntled by the driver would be the last thing on my mind at the end of a working day/night.
This whole thread is pointless,you ask the question what would happen if offices got video footage, then later on say you worked for a company that sacked people on public complaints !
You already know the likely answer.
As it is inconsiderate driving happens every day, carried out by inconsiderate people.. Or shock horror,someone actually makes a mistake.
Sending video footage into a company office because I felt disgruntled by the driver would be the last thing on my mind at the end of a working day/night.
I don't know whether a large haulier will take the same action as a smaller non transport company- hence the question.
And the answers showed that no all companies act the same.
The point (subtle as it may be) is that bad driving in sign written vehicles is common place, and evidence of this is increasing as dash cams become more prevalent. Add to that there is a very easy way to send that evidence to the drivers company (takes couple of mins to send an email with attachment) and the resulting possible outcome could be must surely be in the commercial drivers mind when they drive in such manner?
Isn't it?
The comment of "only complain about others driving if yours is exemplary" doesn't hold any water, if my driving was poor and a complaint needed to be raised then there's some numbers and letters on the front and back of my car that you could use to make a complaint to the police about. Also as professional drivers shouldn't your driving be driving exemplary?? It's clearly not!
Btw I haven't sent any footage - it's all still on the memory card so the only time I have spent on this is replying to posts on this forum. So shall I send it in?
And the answers showed that no all companies act the same.
The point (subtle as it may be) is that bad driving in sign written vehicles is common place, and evidence of this is increasing as dash cams become more prevalent. Add to that there is a very easy way to send that evidence to the drivers company (takes couple of mins to send an email with attachment) and the resulting possible outcome could be must surely be in the commercial drivers mind when they drive in such manner?
Isn't it?
The comment of "only complain about others driving if yours is exemplary" doesn't hold any water, if my driving was poor and a complaint needed to be raised then there's some numbers and letters on the front and back of my car that you could use to make a complaint to the police about. Also as professional drivers shouldn't your driving be driving exemplary?? It's clearly not!
Btw I haven't sent any footage - it's all still on the memory card so the only time I have spent on this is replying to posts on this forum. So shall I send it in?
There's a clear difference between a simple mistake and dangerous driving. If I had footage where a truck pulled out and caused me to brake I wouldn't bother, but if I had footage where a truck tried to force me off the road then yes, I'd send it to their bosses and I'm sure they'd take it seriously if it genuinely was dangerous.
hman said:
I don't know whether a large haulier will take the same action as a smaller non transport company- hence the question.
And the answers showed that no all companies act the same.
The point (subtle as it may be) is that bad driving in sign written vehicles is common place, and evidence of this is increasing as dash cams become more prevalent. Add to that there is a very easy way to send that evidence to the drivers company (takes couple of mins to send an email with attachment) and the resulting possible outcome could be must surely be in the commercial drivers mind when they drive in such manner?
Isn't it?
The comment of "only complain about others driving if yours is exemplary" doesn't hold any water, if my driving was poor and a complaint needed to be raised then there's some numbers and letters on the front and back of my car that you could use to make a complaint to the police about. Also as professional drivers shouldn't your driving be driving exemplary?? It's clearly not!
Btw I haven't sent any footage - it's all still on the memory card so the only time I have spent on this is replying to posts on this forum. So shall I send it in?
No. Get a fAnd the answers showed that no all companies act the same.
The point (subtle as it may be) is that bad driving in sign written vehicles is common place, and evidence of this is increasing as dash cams become more prevalent. Add to that there is a very easy way to send that evidence to the drivers company (takes couple of mins to send an email with attachment) and the resulting possible outcome could be must surely be in the commercial drivers mind when they drive in such manner?
Isn't it?
The comment of "only complain about others driving if yours is exemplary" doesn't hold any water, if my driving was poor and a complaint needed to be raised then there's some numbers and letters on the front and back of my car that you could use to make a complaint to the police about. Also as professional drivers shouldn't your driving be driving exemplary?? It's clearly not!
Btw I haven't sent any footage - it's all still on the memory card so the only time I have spent on this is replying to posts on this forum. So shall I send it in?
king life, knob. 
hman said:
The comment of "only complain about others driving if yours is exemplary" doesn't hold any water, if my driving was poor and a complaint needed to be raised then there's some numbers and letters on the front and back of my car that you could use to make a complaint to the police about. Also as professional drivers shouldn't your driving be driving exemplary?? It's clearly not!
Except of course one generally doesn't have time to take down details of number plates so reporting offences to the police is usually not an option.And why should professional drivers driving be exemplary? What is exemplary driving? Is it the way one drives to pass one's driving test etc?
The reality is that professional drivers know that on occasions they are going to have to force their way out in to traffic, they know they are going to exceed the speed limit, and they know that on occasions they may make a mistake.
The reality is we all make mistakes on occasions and I would suggest those who are driving on busier and busier roads day in day out seeking to meet ever decreasing targets of improved timeliness and reduced fuel use are likely to actually make more than the rest of us.
Personally if I was reviewing video evidence of a drivers actions I would want to see a lot more than a 30 second snapsnot, because whilst that snapshot might show the driver pulling out on a car what it woun't show is him sitting their with his indicator on for several mnutes waiting for someone to let him out.
However feel free to send in the evidence, yes some fleet managers might take action, yes this might result in people being sacked, yes it might result in drivers driving slower, yes it might result in deliveries taking longer, yes it might result in prices going up as transport costs are now higher, yes it might result in more congested roads as traffic driving slower, yes it might result in more accidents because slower traffic conditions means that more drivers are doing other things than driving but who cares?
Howeever to be fair to all road users can I suggest you send clips of all drivers whether signwritten or not to the police. Why should those not driving signwritten vehicles escape your attention?
Chrisgr31 said:
I let out trucks when it is clear they want to overtake because the hold up to me is measured in seconds, it is also clear that in heavy traffic they would never get out.
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