M25 Junc 28-31 Friday Afternoon
Discussion
Come round the M25 from the M11 to the QE Bridge on Friday afternoon, and there were a huge number of trucks stopped on the hard shoulder. They can't have all been broken down surely?
Found it slightly ironic having seen on the morning news that there was a campaign about only using the hard shoulder in an emergency.
Found it slightly ironic having seen on the morning news that there was a campaign about only using the hard shoulder in an emergency.
Chrisgr31 said:
Come round the M25 from the M11 to the QE Bridge on Friday afternoon, and there were a huge number of trucks stopped on the hard shoulder. They can't have all been broken down surely?
Found it slightly ironic having seen on the morning news that there was a campaign about only using the hard shoulder in an emergency.
I came the other way and judging by the shocking queue I saw, id of said they d all pulled up for a break otherwise they are going to have to exceed there drive time. Found it slightly ironic having seen on the morning news that there was a campaign about only using the hard shoulder in an emergency.
And Vosa don't much care for excuses so if its parked there and the police want them to move then they will sign there tacho to say they ve moved them. IIRC
That's just bad driving/misinterpretation.
VOSA "Provided that road safety is not jeopardised, and to enable a driver to reach a suitable stopping place,
a departure from EU rules may be permitted to the extent necessary to ensure the safety of persons
(including passengers) or the vehicle. Drivers must note all the reasons for doing so on the back of their
tachograph record sheets (if using an analogue tachograph) or on a printout or temporary sheet (if using
a digital tachograph), at the latest on reaching the suitable stopping place (see relevant sections covering
manual entries, in Section 5, ‘Tachograph rules’). Repeated and regular occurrences, however, might
indicate to enforcement officers that employers were not in fact scheduling work to enable compliance
with the applicable rules."
The hard shoulder is never a suitable stopping place.
VOSA "Provided that road safety is not jeopardised, and to enable a driver to reach a suitable stopping place,
a departure from EU rules may be permitted to the extent necessary to ensure the safety of persons
(including passengers) or the vehicle. Drivers must note all the reasons for doing so on the back of their
tachograph record sheets (if using an analogue tachograph) or on a printout or temporary sheet (if using
a digital tachograph), at the latest on reaching the suitable stopping place (see relevant sections covering
manual entries, in Section 5, ‘Tachograph rules’). Repeated and regular occurrences, however, might
indicate to enforcement officers that employers were not in fact scheduling work to enable compliance
with the applicable rules."
The hard shoulder is never a suitable stopping place.
^ That, plus the worst that you get is HATO turning up and telling you that you will be recovered if you haven't moved in 2 hours (I've never known them to actually do it). If all you need is 45, you're stuck in stationary traffic and have been for the past hour I can understand why they just stick it on the shoulder.
It avoids the questions about infringements when you download your card, the questions from VOSA when they're trying to screw you over and quite a few firms run a bonus schemes to supplement their s
te wages and not pay it for any reason they can find.
It avoids the questions about infringements when you download your card, the questions from VOSA when they're trying to screw you over and quite a few firms run a bonus schemes to supplement their s
te wages and not pay it for any reason they can find. Beyond Rational said:
Without sounding all "think of the children" those excuses don't seem important enough to block the hard shoulder.
Thing is even if you told Vosa and they checked the dates etc they d still come up with some bullst rule to screw you over. Vosa don't do excuses, they think all drivers should be mind readers and know where every queue and set of road works is, ha if only it were that simple.
Theyre not, but the point is that they may get a bking if they run over their time and no one will do anything if they do park there. Its the same reason that foreigners always used to do it, there was no enforcement for them so I can understand why they choose that option, now that HATO are involved rather than police theres no enforcement for anyone.
king if they run over their time and no one will do anything if they do park there. Its the same reason that foreigners always used to do it, there was no enforcement for them so I can understand why they choose that option, now that HATO are involved rather than police theres no enforcement for anyone.A secondary point is that if you do get caught out and pull off at a random motorway junction, what are the chances of finding somewhere to stop 55ft of lorry legally within 5 miles? Everywhere is red routes and yellow lines, or lorry bans and weight restrictions. If you dont know the area or there are services there the odds are stacked well against you.
If you used to stop on the hard shoulder then it was quite probable that a camera would be on you, you also run the risk of a police car driving past or turning up. They don't do that anymore and the worst hato can do is tutt and threaten to move you on.
If you used to stop on the hard shoulder then it was quite probable that a camera would be on you, you also run the risk of a police car driving past or turning up. They don't do that anymore and the worst hato can do is tutt and threaten to move you on.
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