EX LGV driver and instructor + regs links

[R0G]

Been driving LGVs from 1979 to 2004 on a regular basis
LGV instructing from 2005 to 2008

I have a very good grasp of the regs listed below but am no way an 'expert' on them but I do have a 'friend' on speed-dial who is.....

EU REGS
NEW VOSA GUIDE GV262-03
NEW AETR REGS
MOBILE WTD
VOSA FINES

When the new driver CPC came out I made a comprehensive study of it so I doubt there is much on that issue I do not know about - INITIAL or PERIODIC

Hope I can be of help to anyone who wants it

PS - some of you may have already seen my posts on LGV, car trailer towing and advanced driving issues

[GTIR]

I've not driven class 1 since 2007.
I was wondering what's the situation regards driver CPC - if I wanted to start driving again can I just do it or do I need to do the CPC first?
Is there a time frame one has to do the CPC?

Cheers.

[R0G]

GTIR said:

I've not driven class 1 since 2007.
I was wondering what's the situation regards driver CPC - if I wanted to start driving again can I just do it or do I need to do the CPC first?
Is there a time frame one has to do the CPC?

Cheers.

The rules changed in 2007 so those links will be handy if you do go back to it

Re DCPC - You have aquired/grandfather rights until 09/09/2014 but to drive LGVs commercially (not privately) at any time after that date you will need a DQC (driver cpc card) and to get that card you need to complete 35 hours of periodic DCPC training

[Panda76]

I would also do a little research on the course content tbh if possible.
I'm doing bit by bit inhouse Jaupt approved course and it's the biggest pile of tosh of training I have ever had to sit through.
7 hours of background to the company goals and murder death kill of the brain with health and safety briefs.
7 hours of some other crap of which 90% I can't even remember because I totally shutdown into a zombie state.
Lifting and speed limits is the 10% I can remember.
What the rest of the course content will be is a mystery atm.

[R0G]

Panda76 said:

I would also do a little research on the course content tbh if possible.
I'm doing bit by bit inhouse Jaupt approved course and it's the biggest pile of tosh of training I have ever had to sit through.
7 hours of background to the company goals and murder death kill of the brain with health and safety briefs.
7 hours of some other crap of which 90% I can't even remember because I totally shutdown into a zombie state.
Lifting and speed limits is the 10% I can remember.
What the rest of the course content will be is a mystery atm.

Sounds like you are getting your course and the time taken to do it paid for by the company - is that correct?

Lucky you if it is because about 50% are having to fund it themselves and so are paying to be bored stiff for hours

OK, so some courses may have a little time in them which is useful to a driver - perhaps a legal point or two on the regs - but that is little comfort if the other 6+ hours are telling you what you already know

This was one of the most badly thought out thing by the EU for PCV & LGV drivers - no compulsory driving assessments - perhaps because driving is not really the main activity of a driver ..... is it?
No assessment of what each driver actually needs, if anything, and then tailoring a course for those needs

All this has really achieved is to make money for Govt depts, a little money for SOME training providers and to take money from drivers and employers with the general outcome of virtually not much learned that they did not know already

[R0G]

One more thing - ALL DCPC hours are to be recorded as OTHER WORK for the EU regs as the hours of training are not voluntary but compulsory

That means REST cannot be recorded during the time the DCPC is being done

[GC8]

How much of the required number of hours can be taken up by worthwhile training, such as fork lift truck and HIAB crane?

[R0G]

GC8 said:

How much of the required number of hours can be taken up by worthwhile training, such as fork lift truck and HIAB crane?

which means paying more for the same thing just to have it approved for dcpc = ripped off again

[GC8]

Can you expand on that? Im aware of nothing other than that it is possible for some other training to qualify.

[R0G]

GC8 said:

Can you expand on that? Im aware of nothing other than that it is possible for some other training to qualify.

Lets say the cost of an ADR course is 400
The same ADR course that is also DCPC approved for 21 hours would be about 500

this is because of the upload fees, course registration fee for DCPC and the training company centre aproval fee which have to be covered as well as admin costs

So in effect extra money being paid out just to satisfy some silly EU directive and nothing extra being gained by it

Edited by R0G on Saturday 17th March 18:29

[stevenr]

What does all this CPC mumbo jumbo mean to a chap that's looking to sit his test in the near future?

[Panda76]

Costs you more money and time.

Rog:

It's irrelevant if my course is paid for and I'm being paid to do it(i,am),whats more relevant is the course content is just trash.It is of zero benefit to me at all.(except the fancy certificates and eventual dcpc holder card)
The H+S briefs and company goal blurb is something they attempt to brainwash us with every year for a couple of hours as routine training for signatures.lucky us they have rehashed it for dcpc.

I wouldn't mind if it was more relevant and actually offered some useful training and information.So far it hasn't.

[R0G]

stevenr said:

What does all this CPC mumbo jumbo mean to a chap that's looking to sit his test in the near future?

There are two driver CPCs
The INITIAL DCPC for those that never had any LGV licence prior to 10 Sept 2009
AND
The PERIODIC DCPC for those who have either passed INITIAL DCPC or had a LGV licence on 10 Sept 2009 - pre 1997 car test licence holders have LGV C1 on their licence

The INITIAL DCPC is two TESTS - one theory know as module 2 and one practical known as module 4
Module 2 is done at the theory test centre and consists of senarios with pictures and questions on those senarios - multiple choice answers
Module 4 is done in the ground of the practical LGV test centre and needs the use of a LGV for the 30 min test on various things like the show me/tell me walk round check - where might drugs/stowaways be hidden etc

The PERIODIC ongoing DCPC is 35 hours done in 7 hours blocks and for most this means sitting in a classroom getting 'trained' in something they already know about or paying extra on top of a course they want to do so they get those hours in - the course must be DCPC approved to get those hours creditted
PERIODIC DCPC courses are 'attendance' only and there are no tests to qualify for those DCPC hours
There are hundreds of different DCPC courses to choose from

The DRIVER, not the employer, is responsible for getting the DCPC done

On completion of the 35 hours or the initial dcpc the driver gets automatically issued a DQC (driver cpc card) from DVLA and it has a 5 year expiry date so another 35 hours must be done before that date to allow the driver to carry on driving commercially, not privately. - many wrongly assume the LGV/PCV licence will be lost if they do not do those 35 hurs but that is not the case - licence and DCPC are totally seperate issues

Those who had a LGV on their licences prior to 10 Sept 2009 will have a GHOST DQC expiry dated 09/09/2014

Does that help explain it

Edited by R0G on Saturday 17th March 21:00

Edited by R0G on Saturday 17th March 21:01

[R0G]

Panda76 said:

I wouldn't mind if it was more relevant and actually offered some useful training and information.So far it hasn't.

and is unlikely to in the future unless the whole concept of it is changed by the EU

[GC8]

R0G said:

GC8 said:

Can you expand on that? Im aware of nothing other than that it is possible for some other training to qualify.

Lets say the cost of an ADR course is 400
The same ADR course that is also DCPC approved for 21 hours would be about 500

this is because of the upload fees, course registration fee for DCPC and the training company centre aproval fee which have to be covered as well as admin costs

So in effect extra money being paid out just to satisfy some silly EU directive and nothing extra being gained by it

Edited by R0G on Saturday 17th March 18:29

I see, thank you. Naively I had thought that any course would qualify, although I havent ever given it a deal of though. Id hoped that a cheeky ADR, along with a fork lift and maybe a HIAB would fit the bill, whilst getting me some useful benefit, unlike a DCPC course...

[R0G]

GC8 said:

I see, thank you. Naively I had thought that any course would qualify, although I havent ever given it a deal of though. Id hoped that a cheeky ADR, along with a fork lift and maybe a HIAB would fit the bill, whilst getting me some useful benefit, unlike a DCPC course...

Those sort of courses will give you some benefit if that is what you think will help you in the future but you will end up paying more for them if you also want them dcpc approved
Same courses - more money - just to be able to tick a few boxes and get a card which lasts 5 years

[R0G]

How anyone figured out that doing a fork lift course etc makes someone a better LGV driver is beyond me!!

[GC8]

Its certainly a nonsense. Still, I only obtained an HGV licence for the craic. Id intended to take a class 1 course, but by the time I sorted myself out that route was no longer available.

I think that Id view a forklift licence in the same way, although an ADR licence would be more useful, I think. Of course, in 2019 I'll be out of alternative courses to choose...

[stevenr]

R0G said:

Lots of helpful stuff

Yes thank you,sorry if i'm being thick here but does the CPC come as part of the actual test now or is it done as a seperate thing afterwards?

[GTO Scott]

R0G said:

VOSA FINES

I don't suppose you'd have the link for the PSV version of this? Bit of a hot topic at work at the moment.

As for CPC - the definition of 'Death by Powerpoint'.