Flippin' Modern Cars!

Flippin' Modern Cars!

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kennypowers2000

Original Poster:

20 posts

115 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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Hi,

I was trying to so some basic maintenance on my GFs car (Vauxhall Astra), but have hit several barriers.

First off the sump plug is a torx, along with the air filter in-take. Secondly, the brake calipers look like 7mm hex, and all the Allen keys I have go 6, 8, 10mm!

So I'm going to have to buy some torx/hex sockets that I wasn't anticipating.

Is this done buy manufacturers to try and put off home DIYers?

Anyway, enough grumbling by me, my question is that when you have an auto transmission, and working on the brakes, you have to have hand brake off, transmission out if park and in neutral? When I do this, I cannot remove the ignition keys so is this what you are supposed to do? (So the brake pistons aren't pushing the pads against the discs)

Many thanks,

KP


kambites

68,445 posts

228 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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At least everything is metric these days. smile

I was doing some work on the Octavia over the weekend and I variously needed normal sockets (both deep drive and shallow); 12 point sockets; allen keys; 12 point allen key things; and flat, Phillips and Posidrive screwdrivers and a whole load of more specialist tools. Bloody Germans. smile

Edited by kambites on Monday 6th April 18:16

Megaflow

9,926 posts

232 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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Err... My mk4 Escort had a 7mm Allen key on the brakes in 1989, and torx has been around for years as well.

Sounds like you need better tools.

kennypowers2000

Original Poster:

20 posts

115 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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Well, I'm kinda new to working on cars. I thought you could get away with just a bog standard socket set, but guess not!

So when working on Automatics, is it just a case of transmission out of park, in to neutral with the handbrake off? As I did this, and I could not remove the ignition key (perhaps a safety feature to force you into park?). Also, the pads looked like they were against the discs, even though no braking is applied.

Thx.

Winky151

1,270 posts

148 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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Halfords do some decent sets:-

http://www.halfords.com/motoring-travel/tools-diy/...

On my Senator the handbrake was a separate shoe system to the footbrake (I'd suspect the Astra would be the same/similar) so unless you want/need to rotate the disc, engage the handbrake & have the gearbox in park. I still use wheel blocks.

DuraAce

4,255 posts

167 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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kennypowers2000 said:
Also, the pads looked like they were against the discs, even though no braking is applied.

Thx.
That's how they should be. If you can see gaps between pads and discs you've problems.

Watch a few YouTube videos or get an adult to help you!

kennypowers2000

Original Poster:

20 posts

115 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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So putting the handbrake on, and having the car in park won't affect the pistons when I have to push/wind them in to get the pads out?

Silent1

19,761 posts

242 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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kennypowers2000 said:
So putting the handbrake on, and having the car in park won't affect the pistons when I have to push/wind them in to get the pads out?
Sounds like you need to buy a Haynes manual or the Bentley manual for your car because right now it sounds like you might end up making the car unsafe by not understanding what you're doing.

DuraAce

4,255 posts

167 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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Handbrake should be off when you're working on the rear brakes. Gearbox in park/neutral doesn't really matter - park isn't related to the handbrake, it's a gearbox lock which acts on the driven wheels. On the front in Astra obviously.

t400ble

1,804 posts

128 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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Kenny

Get some help for sure

7mm is a common size for front calipers

Torx head fixings are very common on all cars

Athlon

5,170 posts

213 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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Car in park, handbrake off. If you are struggling with the tools to undo the sump plug then I very much doubt you have the tool to re set the calliper, they do not just press back on the rear.

Brakes are one of the few jobs I think you should have to have certificates before you work on them, all to easy to cock it up and hurt yourself or someone else IMVHO

Winky151

1,270 posts

148 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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Winky151 said:
On my Senator the handbrake was a separate shoe system to the footbrake (I'd suspect the Astra would be the same/similar)
Just realised it will probably be drums on the back of the Astra whereas I had discs all round so handbrake off on the Astra as it will all be within the one system on the rear of the Astra.

Winky151

1,270 posts

148 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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Athlon said:
Brakes are one of the few jobs I think you should have to have certificates before you work on them, all to easy to cock it up and hurt yourself or someone else IMVHO
Just about the only job I still have to get in the right frame of mind to tackle myself.

Megaflow

9,926 posts

232 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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Athlon said:
Car in park, handbrake off. If you are struggling with the tools to undo the sump plug then I very much doubt you have the tool to re set the calliper, they do not just press back on the rear.

Brakes are one of the few jobs I think you should have to have certificates before you work on them, all to easy to cock it up and hurt yourself or someone else IMVHO
Having seen what some 'professionals' can do, I'll trust myself way above anybody else.

Today I put front calipers, brackets, discs and pads on Mrs megaflow's civic and discs and pads all round on the Elise. All done in about five hours, including road tests.

kennypowers2000

Original Poster:

20 posts

115 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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Well, I've changed the pads on my own car before (once), it wasn't too complicated. The hardest parts were getting to the bolts at the back of the caliper due to brake pipes getting in the way. And levering the pistons back was a bit of a pain.

Just a little confused about automatics. So it has discs on all wheels, the park mode mearly locks the gearing. The handbrake engages the pistons on the rear wheels (or would there likely be a separate set of drums just for the handbrake in the hub?)

Cheers

PS, I probably should get a Haynes Manual!

KP

Edited by kennypowers2000 on Monday 6th April 20:25

anonymous-user

61 months

Monday 6th April 2015
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Just take it to the garage for the brakes as you can mess up something expensive, the questions you are asking do not inspire confidence..

anonymous-user

61 months

Tuesday 7th April 2015
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&mm Hex is not common in any std set, as I found out changing the cam belt on my wife's Pinto engined Sierra many years ago, you just need to buy one as a separate item no big deal, but my personal opinion s that the use of 7mm is part of a plan to make home DIY difficult.

gazz81

172 posts

139 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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I have one of these, albeit a Draper one.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BERGEN-40-Piece-Hex-Spli...

Wouldnt be without it.

Ilovejapcrap

3,299 posts

119 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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The gearbox auto or manual has nothing to do with the calipers

andyiley

9,980 posts

159 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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gottans said:
Just take it to the garage for the brakes as you can mess up something expensive, the questions you are asking do not inspire confidence..
What 'e said.