MOT failure help required
Discussion
Firstly very sorry if I've posted in wrong section - I most prob have!
Had mot today on my 51 plate corsa easytronic and it failed. One light, one tyre and the bloody steering wheel lock which I understand is a fairly new thing. The garage told me could be a simple rubber seal cheap job, could be the whole steering column!!! WTF!
Just to clarify the cars only done 57k despite being December 2001 model so is in very good nick and drives fine, it's just steering lock doesn't come on. Any thoughts as to what it could be? Or what it's most likely to be? Don't really want to shop around etc as hubby gets discount at this garage through his work and don't have time to shop around. Car only cost 2k so def can't stretch to new steering column!
Thank you and sorry if it's on wrong forum
Had mot today on my 51 plate corsa easytronic and it failed. One light, one tyre and the bloody steering wheel lock which I understand is a fairly new thing. The garage told me could be a simple rubber seal cheap job, could be the whole steering column!!! WTF!
Just to clarify the cars only done 57k despite being December 2001 model so is in very good nick and drives fine, it's just steering lock doesn't come on. Any thoughts as to what it could be? Or what it's most likely to be? Don't really want to shop around etc as hubby gets discount at this garage through his work and don't have time to shop around. Car only cost 2k so def can't stretch to new steering column!
Thank you and sorry if it's on wrong forum
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-corsa-c-power-s...
A steering column isn't really an expensive item. Can be fitted in around half an hour to an hour too depending on the mechanic.
A steering column isn't really an expensive item. Can be fitted in around half an hour to an hour too depending on the mechanic.
Section 2.1 states
The inspection of the steering lock
only applies
to passenger cars with:
• a steering lock fitted as standard by the
manufacturer, and
• four or more wheels, and
• not more than 8 passenger seats excluding the
driver’s seat, and
• first used on or after 1 September 2001
It is acceptable for a steering lock to be removed if it
has been replaced with another immobilisation
device.
Check the date of your cars as it might be close with it on a 51 plate ( I don;t know exactly)
If still not 2.1 also states
It is acceptable for a steering lock to be removed if it
has been replaced with another immobilisation
device.
Buy a steering lock like this for £10
leave it in the car and tell them when you drop it of the situation.
The inspection of the steering lock
only applies
to passenger cars with:
• a steering lock fitted as standard by the
manufacturer, and
• four or more wheels, and
• not more than 8 passenger seats excluding the
driver’s seat, and
• first used on or after 1 September 2001
It is acceptable for a steering lock to be removed if it
has been replaced with another immobilisation
device.
Check the date of your cars as it might be close with it on a 51 plate ( I don;t know exactly)
If still not 2.1 also states
It is acceptable for a steering lock to be removed if it
has been replaced with another immobilisation
device.
Buy a steering lock like this for £10
leave it in the car and tell them when you drop it of the situation.
Edited by Tampon on Wednesday 15th January 16:15
Had planned on trying to borrow one for friday whwn car goes bsck in however just rung garage to tell them of my wise intentions and he said oh no steering lock and security lock are different things and they still need to look into it. Also said bloke at garage never seen this before and he worked there a few years?! But wondered if thats because its new clause on mot!
Are steering lock and security lock same thing? Basically I take key out and can still turn wheel although it is stiff due to power steerong off
Are steering lock and security lock same thing? Basically I take key out and can still turn wheel although it is stiff due to power steerong off
Had planned on trying to borrow one for friday whwn car goes bsck in however just rung garage to tell them of my wise intentions and he said oh no steering lock and security lock are different things and they still need to look into it. Also said bloke at garage never seen this before and he worked there a few years?! But wondered if thats because its new clause on mot!
Are steering lock and security lock same thing? Basically I take key out and can still turn wheel although it is stiff due to power steerong off
Are steering lock and security lock same thing? Basically I take key out and can still turn wheel although it is stiff due to power steerong off
They are different things but the wording in the MOT Manual says another form of immobilization which what I showed you does. It stops the wheel being turned and immobilizes the car so should be fine.
MoT's are down to each testers interpretation on a lot of things. Talk to the garage about the wording and what they would like to see other than the above lock and why it doesn't "immobilize" as per the MoT manual.
MoT's are down to each testers interpretation on a lot of things. Talk to the garage about the wording and what they would like to see other than the above lock and why it doesn't "immobilize" as per the MoT manual.
The Inspection manual is here , section 2.1, p38 is the one that affects you.
http://www.partinfo.co.uk/files/VOSA%20Inspection%...
http://www.partinfo.co.uk/files/VOSA%20Inspection%...
Some discussion on here - tester's forum. This from one of the posts:
"Paragraph 2(inspection manual update)
It is acceptable for a steering lock to be removed if there is an alternative, permanently installed, immobilisation device fitted which acts on either: the steering; gear shift; transmission; or prevents the engine from running.
So now if the steering lock has been removed, as long as it has some device which is part of the vehicle ,example factory fitted immobiliser of other,fitted from new,then that's acceptable."
http://mtaeta.info/thread/653/steering-lock-remove...
^^^I've highlighted a bit in bold & that's certainly the way I would interpret it
Obviously that wouldn't include a steering wheel lock of the type you are thinking of.
You may need to contact VoSA - appealing the failure would be one way - for clarification as this looks like yet another bit of silliness in the test.
"Paragraph 2(inspection manual update)
It is acceptable for a steering lock to be removed if there is an alternative, permanently installed, immobilisation device fitted which acts on either: the steering; gear shift; transmission; or prevents the engine from running.
So now if the steering lock has been removed, as long as it has some device which is part of the vehicle ,example factory fitted immobiliser of other,fitted from new,then that's acceptable."
http://mtaeta.info/thread/653/steering-lock-remove...
^^^I've highlighted a bit in bold & that's certainly the way I would interpret it
Obviously that wouldn't include a steering wheel lock of the type you are thinking of.
You may need to contact VoSA - appealing the failure would be one way - for clarification as this looks like yet another bit of silliness in the test.
Bit more for you:
"Q. If the steering lock is not working or removed, is the immobiliser in the key acceptable as a device?
A. The inspection of steering locks only applies to certain vehicles first used from 1 September 2001, and all vehicles first used from this date will also have been fitted with an engine immobiliser from new as a Type Approval requirement (except maybe some imports). Therefore, a vehicle should only fail for a steering lock missing if it is clear that the immobiliser isn’t working. Otherwise, the vehicle can be passed and customer advised
This is important as on some vehicles it may not be readily possible to determine or prove that the immobiliser is working."
Taken from: https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/2013/06/27/yo...
As I said earlier, its just more EU derived silliness.
"Q. If the steering lock is not working or removed, is the immobiliser in the key acceptable as a device?
A. The inspection of steering locks only applies to certain vehicles first used from 1 September 2001, and all vehicles first used from this date will also have been fitted with an engine immobiliser from new as a Type Approval requirement (except maybe some imports). Therefore, a vehicle should only fail for a steering lock missing if it is clear that the immobiliser isn’t working. Otherwise, the vehicle can be passed and customer advised
This is important as on some vehicles it may not be readily possible to determine or prove that the immobiliser is working."
Taken from: https://mattersoftesting.blog.gov.uk/2013/06/27/yo...
As I said earlier, its just more EU derived silliness.
Edited by paintman on Wednesday 15th January 19:27
The steering lock is usually activated by key insertion pushing a bar or rod against a spring, when you remove key bar or rod will lock in a multi grooved ring, if its not doing that then the bar/rod is jammed or the spring is broken. You would have to remove steering cowl and possibly key barrel but then should be able to see the lock mechanism and clean or repair as necessary
Thank you everyone for replying! I shall print off that q&a webpage that states immobiliser can be used and take it with me - along with vosas phone no in case I need it 
Just looked at my list of advisorys and they looks a bit shaky one of them is " cant check rear seatbelt due to fitted child seat" actually its just a booster seat and not fitted at all so goes to show how closely they really looked!
Just looked at my list of advisorys and they looks a bit shaky one of them is " cant check rear seatbelt due to fitted child seat" actually its just a booster seat and not fitted at all so goes to show how closely they really looked!
You only require one rear fog light, which must be on the centre line or offside of the vehicle.
Depending how lucky you are, if its the nearside one thats cracked either take the bulb out or use a repair tape to cover the crack. If its the offside one thats cracked its either get a lens from a local breakers or ebay or use repair tape. Tape sold by Halfords etc. The tape repair will be subject to 'tester's discretion'.
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...
Have a look at this (you'll find the same info in Tampon's link):
http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_130.htm
Depending how lucky you are, if its the nearside one thats cracked either take the bulb out or use a repair tape to cover the crack. If its the offside one thats cracked its either get a lens from a local breakers or ebay or use repair tape. Tape sold by Halfords etc. The tape repair will be subject to 'tester's discretion'.
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...
Have a look at this (you'll find the same info in Tampon's link):
http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_130.htm
Edited by paintman on Thursday 16th January 16:00
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