Valve/rocker cover bolt

Valve/rocker cover bolt

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SwanJack

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1,922 posts

279 months

Saturday 13th April 2013
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When replacing the valve/rocker cover gasket on my daily snotter today,one snapped on coming out. Once I get what's left of it out, can I just use a bolt form 'b and q' as a replacement (it's an m6 x1.0 -6g spec on the parts list)? The dealer wants stupid money (£20) for a new bolt,or is there something special about the original??

jimbob82

690 posts

141 months

Saturday 13th April 2013
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probably a semi special one, got a pic of the other one that didn't snap?

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

262 months

Saturday 13th April 2013
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B&Q bolts are made from ripened Brie. If you are going to use a generic bolt, check the yellow pages for a fastener specialist shop near you.

ch427

9,742 posts

240 months

Sunday 14th April 2013
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if it were mine id just stick another m6 bolt in, wouldnt worry about where it came from!

P924

1,272 posts

189 months

Sunday 14th April 2013
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Any bolt that fits will be fine. What's the worst that can happen? the rocker cover leaks!?

The Black Flash

13,735 posts

205 months

Monday 15th April 2013
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20 quid for a bolt? Jeesus.
It'll just be an ordinary bolt. There's no great load on a rocker cover. Probably cheaper to get a couple off ebay than B&Q, if you've not got a decent hardware store nearby.

SwanJack

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1,922 posts

279 months

Monday 15th April 2013
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Having a nightmare trying to get the broken bolt out. I drilled right through the middle of it over the course of an afternoon, put in a bolt extractor only to have that snap in half, with no way of getting it out mad. Don't think that I have any option other than to drill a hole and tap in a thread frown

smartphone hater

3,849 posts

150 months

Monday 15th April 2013
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Do you mean drill another hole next to the original one? You wont drill through a broken extractor. If you have access to someone who can weld get them to weld a nut on top of the broken stud/extractor & remove it that way.

The usual type of screw extractors are st.

The Black Flash

13,735 posts

205 months

Monday 15th April 2013
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Oh bad luck, that's the nightmare scenario frown
Yeah you won't drill through it. Welding probably your best bet, otherwise lots of plus gas and general butchery will be the only way.

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

262 months

Monday 15th April 2013
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smartphone hater said:
Do you mean drill another hole next to the original one? You wont drill through a broken extractor. If you have access to someone who can weld get them to weld a nut on top of the broken stud/extractor & remove it that way.

The usual type of screw extractors are st.
We've covered this numerous times on here. Screw extractors work fine when used appropriately i.e. the part to be extracted is not seized in place by e.g. corrosion. If you shear a fastener by over-tightening, chances are a screw extractor will get it out without any fuss. If you shear the head off trying to remove it because it's seized, then an extractor is likely to introduce even more pain to your world.

smartphone hater

3,849 posts

150 months

Monday 15th April 2013
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Mr2Mike said:
smartphone hater said:
Do you mean drill another hole next to the original one? You wont drill through a broken extractor. If you have access to someone who can weld get them to weld a nut on top of the broken stud/extractor & remove it that way.

The usual type of screw extractors are st.
We've covered this numerous times on here. Screw extractors work fine when used appropriately i.e. the part to be extracted is not seized in place by e.g. corrosion. If you shear a fastener by over-tightening, chances are a screw extractor will get it out without any fuss. If you shear the head off trying to remove it because it's seized, then an extractor is likely to introduce even more pain to your world.
I'll change my statement.

The usual type of screw extractors are st at removing anything apart from an overtightened screw which has been so overtightened by some gorilla they've broken it, & even then I wouldn't hold my breath & would only use one as a last resort because as soon as one breaks you're screwed. You're far better off to either drill & tap if that's an option or weld a nut on the top.

Better? smile



mr.man

511 posts

223 months

Monday 15th April 2013
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Sounds like head off time. Is it the Rover V8 engine?
I'm guessing the extractor is broken off below the surface?
Now the only way is Precision Engineer with a spark eroder.
Good luck and dig deep into your pockets.

SwanJack

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1,922 posts

279 months

Monday 15th April 2013
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No its my PT Cruiser, taking the head off would cost more than the car is worth. I am making slow progress in drilling out the bolt extractor and remnants of the old screw, but cannot understand why its taking so long as the metal must be soft to just snap when I turned it with my hand. Once i get through, I'll just tap a new thread.

SwanJack

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1,922 posts

279 months

Monday 15th April 2013
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The original bolt wasn't seized,just a little stiff and snapped far to easily, that's why I went down the extractor route. Anyhow, I appear to be having great success in grinding away the remnants of the extractor and old bolt with a ball shaped, Dremmel attachment, which I assume is carbide. Here's hoping to getting it all out, so that I can drill a new hole and tap it.

PaulKemp

979 posts

152 months

Tuesday 16th April 2013
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Rocker cover bolts are only torqued to a few Ft/Lbs any one will do especially on a snotter

DrDeAtH

3,618 posts

239 months

Sunday 21st April 2013
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You might be able to drill it out enough to remove a very thin sleeve of the existing bolt without having to helicoil the bolt hole. A decent cobalt drill bit would be best.

Try getting one from screwfix. Dewalt extreme2 are cobalt.

ADEuk

1,911 posts

243 months

Monday 22nd April 2013
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Chemical metal a stud in and use a nut

SwanJack

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1,922 posts

279 months

Tuesday 23rd April 2013
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In the end I drilled it out with one of these http://www.axminster.co.uk/proxxon-proxxon-diamond...

I used Dewalt extreme bits on the snapped bolt, but they would not go anywhere near the remnants of the bolt extractor.

mr.man

511 posts

223 months

Tuesday 23rd April 2013
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The suspense is too much to bare. Is all of the broken stuff out of the hole
and have you now got a clean complete M6 threaded hole that accepts a M6 bolt?

SwanJack

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1,922 posts

279 months

Tuesday 23rd April 2013
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The old bolt and extractor was all drilled out. I could not re-tap a thread to take a new m6 bolt as the top half of the hole had got too big. Couldn't tap a thread for an M8 bolt as the old bolt had a sleeve and rubber grommet that would only fit over an m6 bolt. I used the sleeve and grommet on the new M6 bolt and instead of screwing it into the head, just used a nyloc nut and washer on the end to fix/tighten it in place. Where I bought the bolt, there was a retired chap also there who I found out restores old tractors and he said what I intended was ok. I guess I could have put in a heli coil/time sert, but I only needed to tighten it up to 12nm. Can't see any leaks. Will avoid bolt extractors at all costs in the future biggrin

This car is becoming a hobby now, need to replace rusted rear sub frame brackets next as it will probably fail the MOT on this. Going to soak the bolts that keep these brackets on for a month before I start on it smile

Edited by SwanJack on Tuesday 23 April 13:53