Welding advice

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buggalugs

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9,243 posts

244 months

Saturday 30th March 2013
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Quick one, my welder's been peeing me off today! (well my incompetence but you know what I mean!)

Been trying to close a butt joint upside down, it's a cheapie MIG welder. I did the identical job on the other half of the car a few weeks ago and managed OK. But today it seems like the weld is just balling up and running back down onto the tip, not hitting the surface I'm trying to weld... the arc is good and steady and the surface is melty but the metal I'm adding ain't going uphill!

The arc sounds really chilled out like I'm on about 10A but the thing's on max...

The only difference I can think of is I'm using argon/CO2 this time and I *think* last time I was on pure CO2... would that make the difference?

Ta!

T1pper

275 posts

143 months

Saturday 30th March 2013
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Sounds like the reel speed mate, increase the speed and all should be well.

However if you previously welded a simular good joint with the settings unchanged I suggest that the feed cable containing the wire is at a too sharp angle this can happen in tight acces areas.

Ideally you should try to run the cable as straight as possible, this helps to maintain a consistant flow of wire.

I am not sure of your model but most MIGs can be adjusted to increase the grip on the wire by tightening the feed roller mechanism if they are not gripping the wire sufficently it can slip and again reduce speed .

Lastly the wire on the reel can become very slightly rusty especially in damp winter conditions not as much as you would notice but rust deposits build up in the sleeve to the tourch again restricting speed, strip and clean the internal sleeve to regain unhindered feed.

Hope this helps.


mr.man

511 posts

223 months

Saturday 30th March 2013
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The gas will make no difference,should actually be better. We use Argoshield Universal all the time.
As to the problem it's going to be poor earthing in the form of a loose joint somewhere or the earth clamp
in poor condition. Carefully feel the wires and joints to detect if something's hot where it shouldn't be.
Check welding on clean scrap metal to make sure of your settings. Also check your tip isn't loose and what
your welding hasn't too much rust on it.

buggalugs

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9,243 posts

244 months

Sunday 31st March 2013
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Thanks chaps you've given me a few things to go at there, much appreciated!

DrDeAtH

3,618 posts

239 months

Sunday 31st March 2013
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Clean metal surfaces to weld to, and a good clean earth on the body are the start points.
The gas as said above will improve the weld quality
Tip condition and wire speed are favourite.

Welder Jim

1 posts

139 months

Monday 1st April 2013
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As already said here, wire speed and travel consistancy will most likely be your trouble, try a fresh tip too.

TallPaul

1,518 posts

265 months

Monday 1st April 2013
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Generally speaking, when welding upside down, I'd slightly increase wire speed to overcome gravity! If the weld is falling back into the gun, thats a sign the wire speed is too slow, if the wire is pushing against the weld, its usually too fast.

buggalugs

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9,243 posts

244 months

Sunday 7th April 2013
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Cheers guys, turned the amps down and the wire speed up a bit and found a better earth and seems much better this weekend, thanks for the advice.