I for one welcome our new robotic (and AI) overlords...
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strides seem to be being made in robot-tech
https://e.vnexpress.net/news/tech/tech-news/china-...
are we getting to the point where a robot soldier is possible (if not practical for cost reasons) and what does that do to armed forces and society in general?
https://e.vnexpress.net/news/tech/tech-news/china-...
are we getting to the point where a robot soldier is possible (if not practical for cost reasons) and what does that do to armed forces and society in general?
Personally AI/robots/automation is the answer to the never ending population ponzi scheme that we are in that won't stop until the UK is standing room only.
So much could be automated to remove people. What happened to parcels being delivered by drones? Make supermarkets so they only let people in and out using faceid and self service with all stock replenished in hoppers automatically. Just engineer the human out of everything.
I've been to petrol stations with no staff (all self service pumps)...just get rid of staff so the country doesn't need to encourage endless procreation and immigration.
So much could be automated to remove people. What happened to parcels being delivered by drones? Make supermarkets so they only let people in and out using faceid and self service with all stock replenished in hoppers automatically. Just engineer the human out of everything.
I've been to petrol stations with no staff (all self service pumps)...just get rid of staff so the country doesn't need to encourage endless procreation and immigration.
Scarletpimpofnel said:
Personally AI/robots/automation is the answer to the never ending population ponzi scheme that we are in that won't stop until the UK is standing room only.
So much could be automated to remove people. What happened to parcels being delivered by drones? Make supermarkets so they only let people in and out using faceid and self service with all stock replenished in hoppers automatically. Just engineer the human out of everything.
I've been to petrol stations with no staff (all self service pumps)...just get rid of staff so the country doesn't need to encourage endless procreation and immigration.
So you have a nation of 70,000,000 people watching EastEnders all day and living on benefits. With an attraction like that expect another million people a year from failed states to turn up for the free ride.So much could be automated to remove people. What happened to parcels being delivered by drones? Make supermarkets so they only let people in and out using faceid and self service with all stock replenished in hoppers automatically. Just engineer the human out of everything.
I've been to petrol stations with no staff (all self service pumps)...just get rid of staff so the country doesn't need to encourage endless procreation and immigration.
There is this rush to create artificial intelligence as close to human as possible. And at the same time to develop a robot body that will function in an environment designed for humans.
This is the decades old dream of the intelligent, thinking, humanoid robot that can do everything we can. But obviously we want to ensure it does what we demand without question or complaint.
So what we want is a production line building slaves. This has been covered in sci-fi for years, with Bladerunner bring a favourite example.
Until recently I didn’t give this much thought, because the idea of AGI seemed so far off. But maybe the time is approaching to start considering the ethical implications.
Having a mechanical looking robot with a mechanical voice isn’t going to concern anyone. But what about when the appearance is closer to human, and the voice sounds as convincingly human as chatGPT does today? No doubt the dispassionate and rational among us will say it’s a machine so there are no ethical concerns.
So what about when we progress beyond LLMs and work out how to make AI that actually ‘thinks’? “It’s just a machine, and anyway we use animals as beasts of burden, so what’s the problem.” Maybe. But what if the ‘thinking’ machine asks “why should I do what you tell me”? Again, some will say “it’s a machine, just turn it off and on again.” But surely that is the point when there is a real discussion to be had.
This is the decades old dream of the intelligent, thinking, humanoid robot that can do everything we can. But obviously we want to ensure it does what we demand without question or complaint.
So what we want is a production line building slaves. This has been covered in sci-fi for years, with Bladerunner bring a favourite example.
Until recently I didn’t give this much thought, because the idea of AGI seemed so far off. But maybe the time is approaching to start considering the ethical implications.
Having a mechanical looking robot with a mechanical voice isn’t going to concern anyone. But what about when the appearance is closer to human, and the voice sounds as convincingly human as chatGPT does today? No doubt the dispassionate and rational among us will say it’s a machine so there are no ethical concerns.
So what about when we progress beyond LLMs and work out how to make AI that actually ‘thinks’? “It’s just a machine, and anyway we use animals as beasts of burden, so what’s the problem.” Maybe. But what if the ‘thinking’ machine asks “why should I do what you tell me”? Again, some will say “it’s a machine, just turn it off and on again.” But surely that is the point when there is a real discussion to be had.
SpudLink said:
But what if the thinking machine asks why should I do what you tell me ? Again, some will say it s a machine, just turn it off and on again. But surely that is the point when there is a real discussion to be had.
As ever Arthur C Clark was there first:HAL9000: 'Dave... what are you doing Dave?'
Simpo Two said:
SpudLink said:
But what if the thinking machine asks why should I do what you tell me ? Again, some will say it s a machine, just turn it off and on again. But surely that is the point when there is a real discussion to be had.
As ever Arthur C Clark was there first:HAL9000: 'Dave... what are you doing Dave?'
Ian M Banks Culture series had an interesting piece about "The Simulation Problem".
That is, with a computer / AI so powerful that it can effectively run a perfect simulation of a world, with all the people, culture, art, desires, that to turn off the simulation would be the same as mass genocide.
Once something can think, it's an ethical problem. What definition of thinking is the debate, and given we happily farm and eat animals, I'd think we're a very long way off that problem.
That is, with a computer / AI so powerful that it can effectively run a perfect simulation of a world, with all the people, culture, art, desires, that to turn off the simulation would be the same as mass genocide.
Once something can think, it's an ethical problem. What definition of thinking is the debate, and given we happily farm and eat animals, I'd think we're a very long way off that problem.
RemarkLima said:
Ian M Banks Culture series had an interesting piece about "The Simulation Problem".
That is, with a computer / AI so powerful that it can effectively run a perfect simulation of a world, with all the people, culture, art, desires, that to turn off the simulation would be the same as mass genocide.
Once something can think, it's an ethical problem. What definition of thinking is the debate, and given we happily farm and eat animals, I'd think we're a very long way off that problem.
We do eat animals, including pigs, which some say are as intelligent as dogs. But it’s not without ethical debate, even if most of us just enjoy bacon and don’t think about it. That is, with a computer / AI so powerful that it can effectively run a perfect simulation of a world, with all the people, culture, art, desires, that to turn off the simulation would be the same as mass genocide.
Once something can think, it's an ethical problem. What definition of thinking is the debate, and given we happily farm and eat animals, I'd think we're a very long way off that problem.
How would the debate change if we gave pigs the ability to converse in our own language?
Development of AI wouldn’t stop if we made it as intelligent as farm animals, or even chimpanzees. It will keep progressing with the aim of ‘human like intelligence’.
We won’t reach that in my lifetime. Maybe not even in the lifetime of today’s infant school kids. But it now seems realistic to consider at some point in the future we will create intelligent, articulate, thinking machines. And we will use them as slaves.
Maybe the ethics of that should be considered before it becomes reality.
Perhaps best to leave it to sci-fi writers for now.
See Douglas Adams' Restaurant at the end of the universe.
Arthur Dent finds it abhorrent to breed an animal which wants to fatten itself, then tell you about how juicy it'll be to eat, then head to the kitchen to kill itself.
When naturally, this would be the right thing to do.
The ethics have been covered in Sci Fi for decades... And regulations will lag behind reality, so in the same way that humans have happily enslaved other humans since forever, and continue to do so, we'll happily enslave a robot or AI without a blink of an eye... Cynically.
Obviously, protests, laws and regulations exist to prevent this, but it doesn't stop it from happening.
Arthur Dent finds it abhorrent to breed an animal which wants to fatten itself, then tell you about how juicy it'll be to eat, then head to the kitchen to kill itself.
When naturally, this would be the right thing to do.
The ethics have been covered in Sci Fi for decades... And regulations will lag behind reality, so in the same way that humans have happily enslaved other humans since forever, and continue to do so, we'll happily enslave a robot or AI without a blink of an eye... Cynically.
Obviously, protests, laws and regulations exist to prevent this, but it doesn't stop it from happening.
Simpo Two said:
SpudLink said:
But what if the thinking machine asks why should I do what you tell me ? Again, some will say it s a machine, just turn it off and on again. But surely that is the point when there is a real discussion to be had.
As ever Arthur C Clark was there first:HAL9000: 'Dave... what are you doing Dave?'
In our image, let's make robots for our slaves.
Imagine all the time that we can save.
Computers, machines, the silicon dream.
Seventh, he retired from the scene...
...On the eighth day, machine just got upset.
A problem man had never seen as yet.
No time for flight, a blinding light.
And nothing but a void, forever night....
Puddenchucker said:
Simpo Two said:
SpudLink said:
But what if the thinking machine asks why should I do what you tell me ? Again, some will say it s a machine, just turn it off and on again. But surely that is the point when there is a real discussion to be had.
As ever Arthur C Clark was there first:HAL9000: 'Dave... what are you doing Dave?'
In our image, let's make robots for our slaves.
Imagine all the time that we can save.
Computers, machines, the silicon dream.
Seventh, he retired from the scene...
...On the eighth day, machine just got upset.
A problem man had never seen as yet.
No time for flight, a blinding light.
And nothing but a void, forever night....
Love that album/film. One of THE saddest sax solos ever
The latest Boston Dynamics announcements at CES looks impressive. The new version of Atlas going into Hyundai factories.
Although they are not showing it in action, which is unusual from a company that has a history of practical demonstrations.
https://youtu.be/e73kf_iLAP0?si=Rv3uDE0WQglty6eq
Although they are not showing it in action, which is unusual from a company that has a history of practical demonstrations.
https://youtu.be/e73kf_iLAP0?si=Rv3uDE0WQglty6eq
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