The universe as a sentient being
Discussion
Let's say we look as science as the way to validate what we see and interact with us.
What happens if these results were actually just an illusion, created to the rules we set out to find.
Yes it all sounds wacky do, but we see the world with ex monkeys eyes and a lot of things seem to fit too well. What it these laws are all an illusion of rules that didn't actually exist?
Hence the universe being in total control deciding what rules it wants us to see and Ives it doesn't?
What happens if these results were actually just an illusion, created to the rules we set out to find.
Yes it all sounds wacky do, but we see the world with ex monkeys eyes and a lot of things seem to fit too well. What it these laws are all an illusion of rules that didn't actually exist?
Hence the universe being in total control deciding what rules it wants us to see and Ives it doesn't?
Lawro said:
Does that stuff you're smoking come in a vape? Asking for a friend.
You know the greatest minds have asked the same question? ""Dr. Greg Matloff, is a leading expert in possibilities for interstellar propulsion , especially near-Sun solar-sail trajectories that might ultimately enable interstellar travel. and is a tenured astronomy professor with the physics department of New York City College of Technology, CUNY, a consultant with NASA Marshall Space Flight Center, a Hayden Associate of the American Museum of Natural History and a Corresponding Member of the International Academy of Astronautics"
""The veteran physicist at New York City College of Technology recently published a paper arguing that humans may be like the rest of the universe in substance and in spirit.
A “proto-consciousness field” could extend through all of space, he argues. Stars may be thinking entities that deliberately control their paths. Put more bluntly, the entire cosmos may be self-aware.""
https://jcer.com/index.php/jcj/article/view/579
https://www.thespaceshow.com/guest/dr.-greg-matlof...
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/universe-cons...
What's your astro qualifications?
mickythefish said:
You know the greatest minds have asked the same question?
""Dr. Greg Matloff, is a leading expert in possibilities for interstellar propulsion , especially near-Sun solar-sail trajectories that might ultimately enable interstellar travel. and is a tenured astronomy professor with the physics department of New York City College of Technology, CUNY, a consultant with NASA Marshall Space Flight Center, a Hayden Associate of the American Museum of Natural History and a Corresponding Member of the International Academy of Astronautics"
""The veteran physicist at New York City College of Technology recently published a paper arguing that humans may be like the rest of the universe in substance and in spirit.
A “proto-consciousness field” could extend through all of space, he argues. Stars may be thinking entities that deliberately control their paths. Put more bluntly, the entire cosmos may be self-aware.""
https://jcer.com/index.php/jcj/article/view/579
https://www.thespaceshow.com/guest/dr.-greg-matlof...
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/universe-cons...
What's your astro qualifications?
I don't need them as he's not using his qualifications either. ""Dr. Greg Matloff, is a leading expert in possibilities for interstellar propulsion , especially near-Sun solar-sail trajectories that might ultimately enable interstellar travel. and is a tenured astronomy professor with the physics department of New York City College of Technology, CUNY, a consultant with NASA Marshall Space Flight Center, a Hayden Associate of the American Museum of Natural History and a Corresponding Member of the International Academy of Astronautics"
""The veteran physicist at New York City College of Technology recently published a paper arguing that humans may be like the rest of the universe in substance and in spirit.
A “proto-consciousness field” could extend through all of space, he argues. Stars may be thinking entities that deliberately control their paths. Put more bluntly, the entire cosmos may be self-aware.""
https://jcer.com/index.php/jcj/article/view/579
https://www.thespaceshow.com/guest/dr.-greg-matlof...
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/universe-cons...
What's your astro qualifications?
He's a physicist who's wandered out of his field and into almost some kind of quasi-religious/philosophical domain.
You quote him saying “A proto-consciousness field” could extend through all of space. Stars may be thinking entities that deliberately control their paths. Put more bluntly, the entire cosmos may be self-aware.""
Yes, put even more bluntly, he's barking and has zero evidence for his conjecture.
Super Sonic said:
We don't just look at things with our 'ex monkey eyes', there are forces invisible to us that we study nonetheless.
Like religion.Oh, hang on a minute... I prefer those T-shirts with the message "science is true whether or not you believe in it",
https://www.dot-cotton.co.uk/product/science-is-tr...
mickythefish said:
You know the greatest minds have asked the same question?
""Dr. Greg Matloff, is a leading expert in possibilities for interstellar propulsion , especially near-Sun solar-sail trajectories that might ultimately enable interstellar travel. and is a tenured astronomy professor with the physics department of New York City College of Technology, CUNY, a consultant with NASA Marshall Space Flight Center, a Hayden Associate of the American Museum of Natural History and a Corresponding Member of the International Academy of Astronautics"
""The veteran physicist at New York City College of Technology recently published a paper arguing that humans may be like the rest of the universe in substance and in spirit.
A “proto-consciousness field” could extend through all of space, he argues. Stars may be thinking entities that deliberately control their paths. Put more bluntly, the entire cosmos may be self-aware.""
https://jcer.com/index.php/jcj/article/view/579
https://www.thespaceshow.com/guest/dr.-greg-matlof...
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/universe-cons...
What's your astro qualifications?
New York City College. It’s not even the best college in New York! ""Dr. Greg Matloff, is a leading expert in possibilities for interstellar propulsion , especially near-Sun solar-sail trajectories that might ultimately enable interstellar travel. and is a tenured astronomy professor with the physics department of New York City College of Technology, CUNY, a consultant with NASA Marshall Space Flight Center, a Hayden Associate of the American Museum of Natural History and a Corresponding Member of the International Academy of Astronautics"
""The veteran physicist at New York City College of Technology recently published a paper arguing that humans may be like the rest of the universe in substance and in spirit.
A “proto-consciousness field” could extend through all of space, he argues. Stars may be thinking entities that deliberately control their paths. Put more bluntly, the entire cosmos may be self-aware.""
https://jcer.com/index.php/jcj/article/view/579
https://www.thespaceshow.com/guest/dr.-greg-matlof...
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/universe-cons...
What's your astro qualifications?
If he was any good he would be a lecturer at MIT.
Panamax said:
Like religion.
Oh, hang on a minute... I prefer those T-shirts with the message "science is true whether or not you believe in it",
https://www.dot-cotton.co.uk/product/science-is-tr...
I'm not advocating for religion.Oh, hang on a minute... I prefer those T-shirts with the message "science is true whether or not you believe in it",
https://www.dot-cotton.co.uk/product/science-is-tr...
I don't care what t-shirts you like.
Lawro said:
I don't need them as he's not using his qualifications either.
He's a physicist who's wandered out of his field and into almost some kind of quasi-religious/philosophical domain.
You quote him saying “A proto-consciousness field” could extend through all of space. Stars may be thinking entities that deliberately control their paths. Put more bluntly, the entire cosmos may be self-aware.""
Yes, put even more bluntly, he's barking and has zero evidence for his conjecture.
I've Seen some posts on here but that takes the biscuit lol ego much lolHe's a physicist who's wandered out of his field and into almost some kind of quasi-religious/philosophical domain.
You quote him saying “A proto-consciousness field” could extend through all of space. Stars may be thinking entities that deliberately control their paths. Put more bluntly, the entire cosmos may be self-aware.""
Yes, put even more bluntly, he's barking and has zero evidence for his conjecture.
Maybe better to dumb it down a bit.
For a long time it was thought consciousness worked only in humans. Well they have found it other animals. The mechanics of consciousness works in the state that is quantum. We are finding evidence that this state is fully connected and communicate at levels we can't currently comprehend.
An example is the mechanism of higher state energy in cells, where biophotons are produced . It was only very recently that they have identified this as a way for cells to communicate through matter and instantaneously.
So maybe people need to read up in emerging science before making very ignorant comments?
For a long time it was thought consciousness worked only in humans. Well they have found it other animals. The mechanics of consciousness works in the state that is quantum. We are finding evidence that this state is fully connected and communicate at levels we can't currently comprehend.
An example is the mechanism of higher state energy in cells, where biophotons are produced . It was only very recently that they have identified this as a way for cells to communicate through matter and instantaneously.
So maybe people need to read up in emerging science before making very ignorant comments?
Super Sonic said:
I'm not advocating for religion.
I don't care what t-shirts you like.
Oh dear, you've missed my point, which was the problem that as soon as scientists talk about things they are studying but cannot see it gives "believers" an opportunity to say, "yes, that's like my god". Now I don't think it's anything like their god but one has to accept it's a point they can make. I don't care what t-shirts you like.
As for the T-shirt, its message remains 100% rock solid either way.
Separately, I have from time to time wondered whether each of our atoms is a sentient universe in itself and whether our universe is simply one atom in a much bigger sentient universe. There seems to be so much empty space in an atom. Answers on a postcard, please.
"Sentient". Hmmm. AI is very fashionable these days (whatever AI may be) and if its evolution continues may well match our definitions of sentient. It appears the animal kingdom can tick the box of "sentient" and you don't have to push things very far to find the plant kingdom can also qualify.
"Sentient". Hmmm. AI is very fashionable these days (whatever AI may be) and if its evolution continues may well match our definitions of sentient. It appears the animal kingdom can tick the box of "sentient" and you don't have to push things very far to find the plant kingdom can also qualify.
mickythefish said:
Maybe better to dumb it down a bit.
For a long time it was thought consciousness worked only in humans. Well they have found it other animals. The mechanics of consciousness works in the state that is quantum. We are finding evidence that this state is fully connected and communicate at levels we can't currently comprehend.
An example is the mechanism of higher state energy in cells, where biophotons are produced . It was only very recently that they have identified this as a way for cells to communicate through matter and instantaneously.
So maybe people need to read up in emerging science before making very ignorant comments?
Not entirely sure that talk of dumbing it down and lambasting people for perceived ignorance is the way to encourage friendly discussion in your own thread. For a long time it was thought consciousness worked only in humans. Well they have found it other animals. The mechanics of consciousness works in the state that is quantum. We are finding evidence that this state is fully connected and communicate at levels we can't currently comprehend.
An example is the mechanism of higher state energy in cells, where biophotons are produced . It was only very recently that they have identified this as a way for cells to communicate through matter and instantaneously.
So maybe people need to read up in emerging science before making very ignorant comments?
mickythefish said:
Lawro said:
I don't need them as he's not using his qualifications either.
He's a physicist who's wandered out of his field and into almost some kind of quasi-religious/philosophical domain.
You quote him saying “A proto-consciousness field” could extend through all of space. Stars may be thinking entities that deliberately control their paths. Put more bluntly, the entire cosmos may be self-aware.""
Yes, put even more bluntly, he's barking and has zero evidence for his conjecture.
I've Seen some posts on here but that takes the biscuit lol ego much lolHe's a physicist who's wandered out of his field and into almost some kind of quasi-religious/philosophical domain.
You quote him saying “A proto-consciousness field” could extend through all of space. Stars may be thinking entities that deliberately control their paths. Put more bluntly, the entire cosmos may be self-aware.""
Yes, put even more bluntly, he's barking and has zero evidence for his conjecture.
You've seen some posts on here because you made the most ridiculous one into a thread all of its own.
Stars are thinking entities.
You know this is the Science section not the Disney one right?
Panamax said:
Separately, I have from time to time wondered whether each of our atoms is a sentient universe in itself and whether our universe is simply one atom in a much bigger sentient universe. There seems to be so much empty space in an atom. Answers on a postcard, please.
The same train of thought has been steadfastly refusing to get out of my head for the last 30 years or so.It's reassuring to know that I'm not the only one out there... so to speak.
mickythefish said:
You know the greatest minds have asked the same question?
""Dr. Greg Matloff, is a leading expert in possibilities for interstellar propulsion , especially near-Sun solar-sail trajectories that might ultimately enable interstellar travel. and is a tenured astronomy professor with the physics department of New York City College of Technology, CUNY, a consultant with NASA Marshall Space Flight Center, a Hayden Associate of the American Museum of Natural History and a Corresponding Member of the International Academy of Astronautics"
""The veteran physicist at New York City College of Technology recently published a paper arguing that humans may be like the rest of the universe in substance and in spirit.
A “proto-consciousness field” could extend through all of space, he argues. Stars may be thinking entities that deliberately control their paths. Put more bluntly, the entire cosmos may be self-aware.""
https://jcer.com/index.php/jcj/article/view/579
https://www.thespaceshow.com/guest/dr.-greg-matlof...
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/universe-cons...
What's your astro qualifications?
I'm an Aries ""Dr. Greg Matloff, is a leading expert in possibilities for interstellar propulsion , especially near-Sun solar-sail trajectories that might ultimately enable interstellar travel. and is a tenured astronomy professor with the physics department of New York City College of Technology, CUNY, a consultant with NASA Marshall Space Flight Center, a Hayden Associate of the American Museum of Natural History and a Corresponding Member of the International Academy of Astronautics"
""The veteran physicist at New York City College of Technology recently published a paper arguing that humans may be like the rest of the universe in substance and in spirit.
A “proto-consciousness field” could extend through all of space, he argues. Stars may be thinking entities that deliberately control their paths. Put more bluntly, the entire cosmos may be self-aware.""
https://jcer.com/index.php/jcj/article/view/579
https://www.thespaceshow.com/guest/dr.-greg-matlof...
https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/universe-cons...
What's your astro qualifications?
Lawro said:
mickythefish said:
Lawro said:
I don't need them as he's not using his qualifications either.
He's a physicist who's wandered out of his field and into almost some kind of quasi-religious/philosophical domain.
You quote him saying “A proto-consciousness field” could extend through all of space. Stars may be thinking entities that deliberately control their paths. Put more bluntly, the entire cosmos may be self-aware.""
Yes, put even more bluntly, he's barking and has zero evidence for his conjecture.
I've Seen some posts on here but that takes the biscuit lol ego much lolHe's a physicist who's wandered out of his field and into almost some kind of quasi-religious/philosophical domain.
You quote him saying “A proto-consciousness field” could extend through all of space. Stars may be thinking entities that deliberately control their paths. Put more bluntly, the entire cosmos may be self-aware.""
Yes, put even more bluntly, he's barking and has zero evidence for his conjecture.
You've seen some posts on here because you made the most ridiculous one into a thread all of its own.
Stars are thinking entities.
You know this is the Science section not the Disney one right?
I'll just set up the stool ready for them to hop onto their high horse...
Panamax said:
Separately, I have from time to time wondered whether each of our atoms is a sentient universe in itself and whether our universe is simply one atom in a much bigger sentient universe. There seems to be so much empty space in an atom. Answers on a postcard, please.
"Sentient". Hmmm. AI is very fashionable these days (whatever AI may be) and if its evolution continues may well match our definitions of sentient. It appears the animal kingdom can tick the box of "sentient" and you don't have to push things very far to find the plant kingdom can also qualify.
Far out man!"Sentient". Hmmm. AI is very fashionable these days (whatever AI may be) and if its evolution continues may well match our definitions of sentient. It appears the animal kingdom can tick the box of "sentient" and you don't have to push things very far to find the plant kingdom can also qualify.
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