New Moon?

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Doofus

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Monday 22nd May 2023
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I'm in SW France.

About a hour ago I saw, in a clear sky, what I'd call a New Moon. Like a fingernail trimming.

I could also see the rest of the moon, as a slightly paler grey than the surrounding sky and, above that, a very bright star.

Just now, the star is still there. but the moon's gone. There is no cloud cover.

So what's going on? How long do I have?

geeks

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Monday 22nd May 2023
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I think Venus was due to line up with the moon soon so could be that

Scabutz

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Monday 22nd May 2023
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Simpo Two

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Monday 22nd May 2023
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geeks said:
I think Venus was due to line up with the moon soon so could be that
I think his point was that the moon has disappeared...

But I've just had a look and it's still there, albeit a bit red.


Eric Mc

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Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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When the moon is a very, very thin crescent, it can easily be obscured by haze or thin cloud in the atmosphere. As the moon sinks towards the horizon, you will be seeing it through denser atmosphere so it might appear to disappear.

The other part of the moon's disk that was vaguely visible would be the night side of the moon lit up by earthlight. It's some times referred to as "the new moon in the old moon's arms".


Doofus

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Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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That's exactly what it looked like, and then it vanished.

Doofus

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Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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It's back tonight, but it's now above the star it was beneath yesterday.


geeks

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Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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The star is Venus wink

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 23rd May 2023
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Doofus said:
It's back tonight, but it's now above the star it was beneath yesterday.

That’s because it’s orbiting the earth from right to left - as you see it from your location.
Venus is not orbiting the earth so it’s position in the sky changes much more slowly from night to night.

Simpo Two

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Wednesday 24th May 2023
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Doofus said:
It's back tonight, but it's now above the star it was beneath yesterday.
Doofus in 'moons and planets move' shock hehe

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 24th May 2023
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Simpo Two said:
Doofus in 'moons and planets move' shock hehe
He's in the process of catching up with the people who built Stonehenge and Newgrange. Don't discourage him.

Doofus

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Wednesday 24th May 2023
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That's not what this thread was about.

Never mind.

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 24th May 2023
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We were just joshing. It's nice that people notice things - even if it is a bit later in life.

thegreenhell

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Thursday 25th May 2023
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That's no moon...

Johnnytheboy

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Monday 5th June 2023
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Was going to start a new thread but this one will do.

I should know this as I'm a very sporadic astronomer but I don't.

The new moon the OP refers to was very high in the sky and tracking down to the horizon at an angle of about 30 degrees.

The full moon a mere two weeks later is skimming extremely low on the horizon.

I don't understand how the path of the moon across the sky can change so much in such a short period. I assume the moon's position is to do with the earth being on the wonk, but I can't understand why the moon's path wouldn't change very gradually over the year, rather than abruptly like this.

Can anyone explain?

carl_w

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Monday 5th June 2023
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Johnnytheboy said:
I don't understand how the path of the moon across the sky can change so much in such a short period. I assume the moon's position is to do with the earth being on the wonk, but I can't understand why the moon's path wouldn't change very gradually over the year, rather than abruptly like this.
Exactly this. The moon orbits the earth in a plane about 5° from the ecliptic. The earth's axis is inclined at 23.5° from perpendicular to the ecliptic. The moon orbits the earth every 29 days so you would expect its position to change a lot in two weeks.

Eric Mc

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Monday 5th June 2023
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Also, the moon's orbital plane wobbles - like the way a spinning plate wobble on a pole.

geeks

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Monday 5th June 2023
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This should help, image (not mine, I wish, one day!) of the moon over 28 days from the same position