How do utilities stop water pipes from freezing?

How do utilities stop water pipes from freezing?

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Somewhatfoolish

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4,572 posts

192 months

Sunday 14th November 2021
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How do utilties stop water pipes from freezing in winter?

Is it as simple as keeping the water continuously pumping so it doesn't have a chance to freeze?

If it is that simple, would be interested in answers for genuinely cold places like Svalbrad or Siberia as surely that can't be enough... or can it?

Andeh1

7,171 posts

212 months

Sunday 14th November 2021
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Buried deep enough down, moving water & sheer volume in a pipe is my guess!

Higgs boson

1,102 posts

159 months

Sunday 14th November 2021
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Somewhatfoolish said:
How do utilties stop water pipes from freezing in winter?

Is it as simple as keeping the water continuously pumping so it doesn't have a chance to freeze?

If it is that simple, would be interested in answers for genuinely cold places like Svalbrad or Siberia as surely that can't be enough... or can it?
Google "frost heave" or "frost line".

The depth will change for, as you have assumed, the colder places.

annodomini2

6,901 posts

257 months

Monday 15th November 2021
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Water pressure also helps, higher pressure lowers the freezing point.

Beati Dogu

9,130 posts

145 months

Monday 15th November 2021
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I don't think they can really bury the pipes, as most of the ground in those parts of the world is permafrost. They actually have to keep them supported off the ground so they don't melt the ground. The pipes will be insulated of course and they'll have electric heater coils on them for extreme weather.

Edited by Beati Dogu on Monday 15th November 14:25

Somewhatfoolish

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192 months

Saturday 20th November 2021
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Thank you. Incredibly simple, but difficult to google. Hopefully this thread with its keywords may help others.

IJWS15

1,914 posts

91 months

Wednesday 24th November 2021
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In the UK bury it 30” or more deep.

In much colder parts of the world they don’t have running water

Higgs boson

1,102 posts

159 months

Thursday 25th November 2021
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IJWS15 said:
In the UK bury it 30” or more deep.
scratchchin 450mm. No?

Huff

3,216 posts

197 months

Thursday 25th November 2021
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750mm is the UK requirement.

And that said - since the UK is so urbanised and hence the draw-down keeps street mains moving - unless you are ('remote' or say, a mile or more outside a conurbation - a handwaving figure I just invented) ,you'll find the water out of your most-direct cold water feed rarely falls below c.15degC. No serious risk of a freeze on the Utility side - that usu comes in the to- above- ground transition TBH.





Edited by Huff on Thursday 25th November 20:51

Higgs boson

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159 months

Thursday 25th November 2021
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From the Specification of the Reinstatement of Openings in Highways ...

Frost heave susceptibility

S5.3.2 Where frost susceptible materials exist within 450 mm of the surface, such
materials may be reinstated to the same levels but, generally, frost
susceptible material must not be used within 450 mm of a road surface.


Is this section not relevant?
I would interpret this as stating that all materials, not only those used in the reinstatement, but anything that is frost susceptible (including a water pipe), should be at least 450mm below the surface. As that is where the "danger" is likely to be.
Someone can say that it wouldn't be designed like that to start with. Likely true, but if you want to stop water pipes freezing, don't bury them within 450mm of the surface. smile






IJWS15

1,914 posts

91 months

Monday 29th November 2021
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By frost susceptible they mean something that expands on freezing. If it did (like ice) it would break up the road surface and require repairs.

Nothing to do with pipes.

FourWheelDrift

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290 months

Monday 29th November 2021
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Somewhatfoolish said:
How do utilties stop water pipes from freezing in winter?
They increase the dilution level of the control substance. Greater compliance of the people during the cold weather and doesn't freeze until -10.