Cold welding!

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tight fart

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280 months

Sunday 28th June 2020
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I'd never heard of this before (and struggle to believe it)

If two pieces of the same type of metal touch in space, they will bond and be permanently stuck together

This amazing effect is called cold welding. It happens because the atoms of the individual pieces of metal have no way of knowing that they are different pieces of metal, so the lumps join together.

This wouldn't happen on Earth because there is air and water separating the pieces. The effect has a lot of implication for spacecraft construction and the future of metal-based construction in vacuums

Mr Pointy

11,838 posts

166 months

Sunday 28th June 2020
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Why don't any metals in a vacuum chamber on Earth weld themselves together then? We can make much higher vacuums than those that exist in space.

CubanPete

3,638 posts

195 months

Sunday 28th June 2020
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Yep, why you should always leave your micrometer or slip gauges separated.

There are other cold welding techniques, ultrasonic and friction stir.

2fast748

1,146 posts

202 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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tight fart said:
I'd never heard of this before (and struggle to believe it)

If two pieces of the same type of metal touch in space, they will bond and be permanently stuck together

This amazing effect is called cold welding. It happens because the atoms of the individual pieces of metal have no way of knowing that they are different pieces of metal, so the lumps join together.

This wouldn't happen on Earth because there is air and water separating the pieces. The effect has a lot of implication for spacecraft construction and the future of metal-based construction in vacuums
I thought this was fairly common knowledge? Tools used in space have to have an ultra think plastic coating to prevent cold welding.

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey

5,858 posts

62 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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You can recreate the effect with a bare alloy seat post into an alloy frame... Ask me how I know hehe

OK... Some friction welding too.

Beati Dogu

9,193 posts

146 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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^ is that what they call butt welding? wink

ndtman

750 posts

188 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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rofl

Nimby

4,907 posts

157 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Mr Pointy said:
... We can make much higher vacuums than those that exist in space.
Apparently not.

This might also be of interest: ultra-flat gauge blocks "weld" together even in air.

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey

5,858 posts

62 months

Monday 29th June 2020
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Beati Dogu said:
^ is that what they call butt welding? wink
hehe

McGee_22

7,082 posts

186 months

Wednesday 1st July 2020
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Nimby said:
Apparently not.

This might also be of interest: ultra-flat gauge blocks "weld" together even in air.
Making a pair of gauge blocks was part of every Marine Naval Apprentices training programme... when they still had Artificers.

Huff

3,226 posts

198 months

Friday 3rd July 2020
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OP - its not true that it can;t happen on earth - Titanium, for a start, will 'diffusion-bond' when in contact and effect that accelerates with heat - its even used in some fabrication processes; and its also one reason it galls like a bd if used eg. as a fastener in steel without a suitable coating/lube.

I thought guage-block 'wringing' was van der waals forces rather than diffusion bonding as such.

Brother D

3,963 posts

183 months

Monday 6th July 2020
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I think this is kinda cold welding with earth bound applications

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-shi...