Sending astronauts to Mars would be stupid, astronaut says
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Whilst I believe that its money not well spent on sending man to mars I do agree with Bill Andres view as he says he is a "big supporter" of the "remarkable" unmanned programmes, "mainly because they're much cheaper". But he says the public support simply isn't there to fund vastly more expensive human missions. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-463...
I agree. Sending humans either to the Moon or Mars makes no sense. They need food, water, and air. All of which we have to carry with us and back. And we need fuel to land on rocks without atmosphere, and more to get back off. All in it makes those trips stupendously expensive picnics! And for what? The bragging rights are still up for grabs on Mars, but that seems to be all.
We should concentrate on a permanent stations at a Lagrange point. Build our ability to live and work in space.
We should concentrate on a permanent stations at a Lagrange point. Build our ability to live and work in space.
The “upmass” issue of manned flight and colonisation of Mars provides many challenges that facing and overcoming will have huge benefits here on Earth. The EuCROPIS satellite that was launched earlier this month on a Falcon 9 is studying the growing of tomatoes in zero and in lunar gravity. On board is the power pack that is using synthetic biology to process waste (artificial urine in this case) into fertiliser.
How about on demand pharmaceutical production? Or real-time personalised medicine? Or stopping bone loss? Or ways to treat, or stop, stroke. Or pulmonary embolisms? Or .... https://tinyurl.com/yde8wp7u
The common goal of sustaining life in the extreme environment for extended time will help man survive on Earth.
“We came all this way to explore the moon, and the most important thing is that we discovered the Earth.” – William Anders.
Merry Christmas everyone.
How about on demand pharmaceutical production? Or real-time personalised medicine? Or stopping bone loss? Or ways to treat, or stop, stroke. Or pulmonary embolisms? Or .... https://tinyurl.com/yde8wp7u
The common goal of sustaining life in the extreme environment for extended time will help man survive on Earth.
“We came all this way to explore the moon, and the most important thing is that we discovered the Earth.” – William Anders.
Merry Christmas everyone.
RobDickinson said:
Long term we need to get humans out into the solar system.
Robots are fine explorers but very slow, all the science done with the robots on Mars would have been done in weeks with humans.
We probably do not "need" to get humans out in to the solar system, its a human argument that we "need" to do this, All life has a beginning and an end which is the same for any civilisation. I am sure you haven't forgotten that once man goes to a planet and stays there for any period of time the chance of a return to earth is small and from an evolution generation perspective they won't be human.Robots are fine explorers but very slow, all the science done with the robots on Mars would have been done in weeks with humans.
Why do you think Humans could rush the experiments that robots do, and have you considered why a robot may take time over carrying out a series of experiments?
Toaster said:
e probably do not "need" to get humans out in to the solar system, its a human argument that we "need" to do this, All life has a beginning and an end which is the same for any civilisation. I am sure you haven't forgotten that once man goes to a planet and stays there for any period of time the chance of a return to earth is small and from an evolution generation perspective they won't be human.
Why do you think Humans could rush the experiments that robots do, and have you considered why a robot may take time over carrying out a series of experiments?
I talked to one of the scientists that designed curiosity that is what they said. The robot is slow and limited and at a huge distance and time lag plus has a very limited energy budget. Why do you think Humans could rush the experiments that robots do, and have you considered why a robot may take time over carrying out a series of experiments?
Robots are useful but slow and incredibly limited for now
Ok, ok, yes it's water ice. The Korolev crater is 51 miles in diameter and they believe the ice is up to 1.25 miles thick.
So there's a lot of potential water in there.
https://www.rt.com/news/447139-mars-water-ice-imag...
So there's a lot of potential water in there.
https://www.rt.com/news/447139-mars-water-ice-imag...
Beati Dogu said:
Ok, ok, yes it's water ice. The Korolev crater is 51 miles in diameter and they believe the ice is up to 1.25 miles thick.
So there's a lot of potential water in there.
https://www.rt.com/news/447139-mars-water-ice-imag...
And the odd sprinkling of yogurt.So there's a lot of potential water in there.
https://www.rt.com/news/447139-mars-water-ice-imag...
ash73 said:
If they invested in a mission like this and had a breakthrough just think of the potential to reuse the same technology on Earth to produce hydrogen from water to fuel cars.
That doesn't solve a problem we have. We already know how to do it. Even if we made it cheaper, Hydrogen remains a relatively dangerous way to transport energy for personal transport.RobDickinson said:
I talked to one of the scientists that designed curiosity that is what they said. The robot is slow and limited and at a huge distance and time lag plus has a very limited energy budget.
Robots are useful but slow and incredibly limited for now
Oh Dear, one scientist eh... OK so just think about what he said then in terms of the Human energy budget and in terms of human consumption and waste ! Down here in the real world companies are racing to put autonomous systems in place to replace humans due to costs. Yet one area we can use Robots efficiently and without replacing humans is space exploration. Time lag exists for humans and robots, humans are very frail mentally and physically Robots do not need entertainment or holidays etc etcRobots are useful but slow and incredibly limited for now
The Case for just using Robots to explore Mars remains a strong one
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