Could causality be broken?

Could causality be broken?

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4x4Tyke

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Moonhawk

10,730 posts

226 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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Meh - old news. Anybody who is married knows damn well there causality is broken - based on the countless arguments your wife starts for absolutely no reason whatsoever biggrin

bunchofkeys

1,128 posts

75 months

Friday 14th September 2018
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Moonhawk said:
Meh - old news. Anybody who is married knows damn well there causality is broken - based on the countless arguments your wife starts for absolutely no reason whatsoever biggrin
There should be the option to "upvote" or "like" comments like these. This really made me chuckle smile

Toaster

2,940 posts

200 months

Sunday 16th September 2018
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Context is everything we should all know that rules in a quantum contact do not always apply elsewhere, here is a fun example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U24-PF0_Zj4

JagerT

455 posts

114 months

Sunday 16th September 2018
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Don't know, never watch it ,same with Holby City.

Roofless Toothless

6,129 posts

139 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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I love this stuff. I am fascinated by what the philosophers (Descatres, Spinoza, Kant, Schopenhauer) have said about the nature of knowledge. I try to read it, but is hard going for me with my dwindling supply of brain cells.

The idea basically is that our knowledge of the world comes solely from what our organs of perception send by way of messages to our brains. It is our brain, operating in an isolated world of darkness, that makes sense of it all. We can never make contact with the world as it actually is, the noumenal, but only the world of our interpretation of it, the phenomenal. And our brains are pre-programmed as it were to sort out all these messages in terms of space and time. The real, noumenal world out there exists in neither space nor time, and this has obvious implications for causality.

I wonder if anyone has ever worked on the idea that the strange world of causality revealed by quantum physics could be a kind of glimpse into the noumenal realm? Of course, Kant onwards held that we would never be able to even understand the noumenal world, let alone perceive it, as it is so divorced from what we are capable of understanding, but there seems to something going on here that simply defies everything we think we understand and take for granted in our world of phenomena.

4x4Tyke

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139 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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When I was first exposed to Descartes and his idea of Cartesian Dualism it really did blow my mind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind%E2%80%93body_pr...

It was through the video game Eve online, the games lore plays on the idea that it is simulation. The games PCs are avatars of us, but they can transferred 'themselves', their minds to new bodies when they die. Some ingame NPCs are philosophers of science, others are philosophers of religion. One of the games factions is the Jove, they have stoics and sophists, they suffer the Jove Disease a form of fatalism. Another in game enemy is the 'sleepers' who themselves exist in a simulation within the game but act in game through their own avatars.

It has a lot of great science fiction exploring these ideas, the edge or science its overlap (or not) with philosophy.

https://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicl...

It really does make you question what is the true nature of reality.

Roofless Toothless

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139 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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I'll tell you my problem with this. If everything is constructed in my mind, then not only objects but people must be too. This means I have written all of Beethoven's symphonies and painted all of Vermeer's paintings.

I can't quite believe I have done this.

4x4Tyke

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139 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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Roofless Toothless said:
I'll tell you my problem with this. If everything is constructed in my mind, then not only objects but people must be too. This means I have written all of Beethoven's symphonies and painted all of Vermeer's paintings.

I can't quite believe I have done this.
I think you are my nagging doubt tongue out

Roofless Toothless

6,129 posts

139 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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I tell you what Tyke, I'm having a better ride here than I am on the other thread. smile