The Universe - Aliens/ET/UFO

[IceBoy]

Hi All,

I've always been a little sceptical about other intelligent life in the cosmos/universe.......and recently I have been binge watching Ancient Aliens on The History/Discovery channel and I have to say, I feel like we have had the wool pulled over our eyes for centuries.

Subjects:

The moon
Technologies we cannot explain
Sudden advance knowledge the human race gained
Lost civilisations
Life outside of Earth
Ancient ruins that we have no explanation of how they were built
UFO's
Foreign structures on other plants and our own moon
Stories from around the world that tell us of visitors from the skies
The conspiracies/cover ups by the world leaders and governments
.....the list goes on.

So what do you all think?

The case that these programmes make is very very strong.

Discuss.
IceBoy

[coldel]

Have you watched a case against it though? Watching something pushing an agenda with selected evidence and no counter arguments will always sound convincing.

That said, no doubt governments withhold information of all sorts from the general public so who knows what they know.

[Old Man Fred]

Do you have any examples of these things on other planets, UFOs etc

What do you mean by ancient civilisations, you don't believe that people have been around for thousands of years?

Conspiracy theories, such as we never went to the moon, and the world is flat?

[anonymous-user]

Subjects:

The moon = that’s real, people went there,
Technologies we cannot explain = like what?
Sudden advance knowledge the human race gained = like what?
Lost civilisations = usually became decadent and died off in war famine uprisings natural disasters etc
Life outside of Earth = like what?
Ancient ruins that we have no explanation of how they were built = like what?
UFO's = planets balloons drones etc
Foreign structures on other plants and our own moon = that’s just nonsense
Stories from around the world that tell us of visitors from the skies = trying to explain the stars and how we got here
The conspiracies/cover ups by the world leaders and governments = trying to get re-elected and keep secrets from the enemy

[IceBoy]

I agree a one way argument is going to be convincing.

Have a look on Youtube about strange objects on the moon and Mars.

I was referring to how some ancient civilisations had the knowledge and know-how, about building such structure, with such accuracy and with technology....that even today would be a marvel.

I can't go in to each and every one of the programmes but chambers (huge rooms) cut that resonate at the same frequency within many ancient tombs around the world, liquid mercury in all these places under the huge monuments, the paintings on the walls, knowing there were other planets in our own solar system The fact even to cut stone and move a 100 tone monoliths etc etc etc ..

IceBoy

[coldel]

All of the above can be explained with other reasoning.

Get 10,000 people with basic tools and they can cut a big block of concrete, move it and stand it up for instance.

Things like paintings showing planets, well they are observable, there are also paintings of giant squids pulling huge ships underwater but that hasn't been proven and is very unlikely to be - so here we are seeing selection bias i.e. lets ignore all the paintings which are clearly rubbish and just select the very few that happen to represent some element of truth.

[IceBoy]

Teotihuacán
Pyramids all over the world
Nascar lines
Sacsayhuamán
Stonehenge
Easter Island
Temple in Hampi

[coldel]

Pyramids. Human design would have meant an understanding that the strongest structure, easiest to build etc. is triangular shaped. Why is it unreasonable that different cultures built triangular buildings? Even a 1 year old child when piling stuff up learn within a few efforts that building a larger base and reducing the size going up makes it more likely to stay upright.

There are huge leaps from the observed to the theorised, things like aliens influencing thousands of years old structures is certainly an option (although there is no explanation why they subsequently didn't stick around, come back etc.) but its also an option alongside many others with much more credibility.

[Moonhawk]

IceBoy said:

Have a look on Youtube about strange objects on the moon and Mars.

I have - pretty much every single one of these I have seen seems to be a case of Pareidolia - coupled with a heavy helping of wishful thinking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

[coldel]

There are also similar natural structures on earth - on the moon its subject to different natural forces but the results are the same that we read into it what we want to. Like the 'faces' you see on the moon, if we all looked like squids and humans didn't exist that 'face' would have no meaning and no one would even care. But because it bears a resemblance it has to be something created not by nature. There are shapes all over the Earth which are made by nature which resemble things we are familiar with.

[Shakermaker]

I would not be surprised that out there in the vastness of space and at some point over the last few billion years, there hasn't been some other habitable planets with life forms on them

Its just that the chances of us encountering them are so infinitely small that we will never really know for certain. We've only been sending things into space for the last 60-ish years, and of those, only 1 has actually left our own solar system. The next nearest star is too far away for us to have got anywhere close to but we already know that it doesn't have any planets around it.

I'm therefore quite content that we'll never encounter extra terrestrial life, even if it is out there

[Old Man Fred]

IceBoy said:

Teotihuacán
Pyramids all over the world
Nascar lines
Sacsayhuamán
Stonehenge
Easter Island
Temple in Hampi

Instead of just writing lists can you explain what you think is 'alien' about these?

As has already been said, a triangle is a very simple very strong shape, not really a surprise different cultures came up with it.

Building massive things a few hundred/thousand years ago isn't really that hard to believe, they had whips, massive massive whips!

I am genuinely interested to hear why you believe in UFOs and aliens so strongly

[cocopop]

IceBoy said:

Teotihuacán
Pyramids all over the world
Nascar lines
Sacsayhuamán
Stonehenge
Easter Island
Temple in Hampi

You mean Nazca lines. Nascar lines are something else.

[PurpleMoonlight]

For me, life must exist elsewhere. There are simply too many galaxies and stars within those galaxies for there not to be. Look at some Hubble deep field pictures and it is truly humbling.

I do struggle to believe they have visited Earth though. Then distances involved must make it impossible surely?

[coldel]

Old Man Fred said:

IceBoy said:

Teotihuacán
Pyramids all over the world
Nascar lines
Sacsayhuamán
Stonehenge
Easter Island
Temple in Hampi

Instead of just writing lists can you explain what you think is 'alien' about these?

As has already been said, a triangle is a very simple very strong shape, not really a surprise different cultures came up with it.

Building massive things a few hundred/thousand years ago isn't really that hard to believe, they had whips, massive massive whips!

I am genuinely interested to hear why you believe in UFOs and aliens so strongly

Note the Red Dwarf quote!

[TwigtheWonderkid]

IceBoy said:

I feel like we have had the wool pulled over our eyes for centuries.

I believe that for decades, babies have been given drugs in hospital to kill off large parts of their brains, in order to keep the population stupid and easy to control.

The victims of this infant drugging can be spotted by their readiness to believe all types of conspiracy theory nonsense.

[coldel]

PurpleMoonlight said:

For me, life must exist elsewhere. There are simply too many galaxies and stars within those galaxies for there not to be. Look at some Hubble deep field pictures and it is truly humbling.

I do struggle to believe they have visited Earth though. Then distances involved must make it impossible surely?

I agree. The problem I see with a lot of these sorts of things is that the makers of the theories believe the human race has some sort of importance in the universe. If the universe was the size of a football field, and our planet was a millionth the size of a pin head and dropped on the field somewhere. And someone started looking for life on that field where they could look through a straw at the floor and move at 1mm every year, that's kind of way I see it. Sure there is life out there, but it is most likely far away.

[Shakermaker]

ash73 said:

Shakermaker said:

The next nearest star is too far away for us to have got anywhere close to but we already know that it doesn't have any planets around it.

https://www.space.com/33834-discovery-of-planet-pr...

I clearly missed that press release. Exciting stuff, and it would only take us 54,000 years to reach at the current speed of space travel, though if they're already coming this way it could be less...

[p1stonhead]

coldel said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

For me, life must exist elsewhere. There are simply too many galaxies and stars within those galaxies for there not to be. Look at some Hubble deep field pictures and it is truly humbling.

I do struggle to believe they have visited Earth though. Then distances involved must make it impossible surely?

I agree. The problem I see with a lot of these sorts of things is that the makers of the theories believe the human race has some sort of importance in the universe. If the universe was the size of a football field, and our planet was a millionth the size of a pin head and dropped on the field somewhere. And someone started looking for life on that field where they could look through a straw at the floor and move at 1mm every year, that's kind of way I see it. Sure there is life out there, but it is most likely far away.

Get a cuppa and crack on. Great little article on this

https://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html

[IceBoy]

Hi OP here,

Like I said, I was sceptical and I haven't gone to full on believer, it is just something are very strange indeed. I will try and pull some examples later.