NASA Deep Space Gateway

NASA Deep Space Gateway

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MartG

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21,241 posts

211 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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Article about NASA's planned Deeps Space gateway station which will(?) be placed in Lunar orbit. Interesting how they are planning to compete the launch of its first element - presumably the planners have as little faith in SLS surviving as the rest of us

https://www.space.com/39985-nasa-lunar-orbital-pla...


Simpo Two

87,088 posts

272 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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So basically a Skylab but around the Moon. Seems entirely logical to me, and I think the first inkling that man might one day again escape Earth orbit, where he's been stuck since 1972.

Eric Mc

122,856 posts

272 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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I'm wondering what you actually do at the deep space gateway?

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

261 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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Deep space stuff!

Missions to.. Places. In deep. Space. Things.

Somewhere for the space force to be based?

Simpo Two

87,088 posts

272 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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Same as at the shallow space gateway, only deeper man.

If you raid your pension fund you might be able to get a return ticket - first accountant in space?

Eric Mc

122,856 posts

272 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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Simpo Two said:
Same as at the shallow space gateway, only deeper man.

If you raid your pension fund you might be able to get a return ticket - first accountant in space?
If I raid my pension fun, I might just be able to afford an Airfix Saturn V frown

4x4Tyke

6,506 posts

139 months

Thursday 15th March 2018
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What I don't understand is why put it in Lunar orbit instead of L1, which would provide for a signification reduction in energy/fuel for transfer orbits.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

251 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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4x4Tyke said:
What I don't understand is why put it in Lunar orbit instead of L1, which would provide for a signification reduction in energy/fuel for transfer orbits.
Leaves a lot to be desired in terms of stability - station keeping propellant needed.

Eric Mc

122,856 posts

272 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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Could they use solar power gyroscopes for stability? Hubble and Skylab used this technique. No propellant required.

4x4Tyke

6,506 posts

139 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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Einion Yrth said:
Leaves a lot to be desired in terms of stability - station keeping propellant needed.
Lagrange points are in gravitational equilibrium so they would require much less fuel than a near orbit. Consider how often the ISS needs a burn into a higher orbit. As a deep space launch platform, any probes (or space craft if we gets that far) it would require less fuel to escape. Escaping the gravity well is costly in energy/fuel.

SystemParanoia

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205 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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Einion Yrth said:
4x4Tyke said:
What I don't understand is why put it in Lunar orbit instead of L1, which would provide for a signification reduction in energy/fuel for transfer orbits.
Leaves a lot to be desired in terms of stability - station keeping propellant needed.
thers are other Lagrange points.. also trojans

anonymous-user

61 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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RobDickinson said:
Deep space stuff!

Missions to.. Places. In deep. Space. Things.

Somewhere for the space force to be based?
In the unlikely event that I ever become in charge of a country or a really rich cult, you sir are going to be offered the high office position of being “in charge of space things and sciency stuff”

MartG

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21,241 posts

211 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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4x4Tyke said:
Einion Yrth said:
Leaves a lot to be desired in terms of stability - station keeping propellant needed.
Lagrange points are in gravitational equilibrium so they would require much less fuel than a near orbit. Consider how often the ISS needs a burn into a higher orbit. As a deep space launch platform, any probes (or space craft if we gets that far) it would require less fuel to escape. Escaping the gravity well is costly in energy/fuel.
The ISS needs occasional reboosting due to drag from Earth's atmosphere - the Moon has negligible atmosphere wink

anonymous-user

61 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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SystemParanoia said:
thers are other Lagrange points.. also trojans
Yeah Lagrange points and trojans hmm yes scratchchin (trying to keep up here)

MartG

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211 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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The lunar halo orbits mentioned in the article, while having the benefits of being permanently visible from Earth for communications and being in permanent sunlight for power, would be a bugger to get to.

The easiest lunar orbit to get to, launching from Earth, is a simple equatorial/low inclination circular one as used by the Apollo missions. The launch window timing isn't particularly critical as the trajectory can be tweaked en-route, and once in an orbit with the same inclination as the target then rendezvous with it is relatively simple.

A highly elliptical polar orbit however would need some precise timing to allow a rendezvous

4x4Tyke

6,506 posts

139 months

Friday 16th March 2018
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MartG said:
The ISS needs occasional reboosting due to drag from Earth's atmosphere - the Moon has negligible atmosphere wink
... and gravity, no beating that. Atmospheric drag decreases the angular momentum.