Lawrence Krauss
Discussion
Sincerely hope for the sake of the secular and scientific communities the allegations are false.
He's been placed on a bit of a pedestal by many, I have to admit myself included, and if he's guilty it will give the enemies of truthful and open discourse a great deal of ammunition for many years to come.
That said. When it comes to public events you can't blame anyone for withdrawing him until the outcome is decided. It's certainly not evidence of guilt, neither is his voluntary withdrawal from the "Atomic Scientists". It's just par the sad course.
He's been placed on a bit of a pedestal by many, I have to admit myself included, and if he's guilty it will give the enemies of truthful and open discourse a great deal of ammunition for many years to come.
That said. When it comes to public events you can't blame anyone for withdrawing him until the outcome is decided. It's certainly not evidence of guilt, neither is his voluntary withdrawal from the "Atomic Scientists". It's just par the sad course.
Eric Mc said:
It shows that just because someone is sensible and rational in one walk of life does not mean they are sensible and rational in another. Humans are complex creatures and none of us are perfect.
Given the evidence isn't out yet, and the inquiry is not final, how have you come to that conclusion with respect to Professor Krauss, Eric?Prof Prolapse said:
Eric Mc said:
It shows that just because someone is sensible and rational in one walk of life does not mean they are sensible and rational in another. Humans are complex creatures and none of us are perfect.
Given the evidence isn't out yet, and the inquiry is not final, how have you come to that conclusion with respect to Professor Krauss, Eric?ash73 said:
Interesting comments from Sam Harris:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D-IqEkCV8W0
Very disappointing, listening to the likes of Krauss was my one escape from the chimpanzees' tea party world we live in.
Not perhaps the time to say such things. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D-IqEkCV8W0
Sam Harris said:
I've never seen anything untoward ... but I have since heard from people who have not gone on the record, who do not want to be a source for any public allegations about Lawrence, but who assure me that these kinds of stories are true.
Reading around the subject I was shocked to learn one other very famous cosmologist has even been the subject of a rape allegation.Very disappointing, listening to the likes of Krauss was my one escape from the chimpanzees' tea party world we live in.
The phrase is a bit wooly: 'who assure me that these kids of stories are true'. Does that mean they are victims/witnesses or they've just heard? There's a massive difference.
People are people. If the allegations are true then I'm sorry because he makes cosmology accessible.
Derek Smith said:
Not perhaps the time to say such things.
The phrase is a bit wooly: 'who assure me that these kids of stories are true'. Does that mean they are victims/witnesses or they've just heard? There's a massive difference.
People are people. If the allegations are true then I'm sorry because he makes cosmology accessible.
I think if Sam Harris believes Krauss may be guilty he is wise to distance himself as early as possible personally.The phrase is a bit wooly: 'who assure me that these kids of stories are true'. Does that mean they are victims/witnesses or they've just heard? There's a massive difference.
People are people. If the allegations are true then I'm sorry because he makes cosmology accessible.
Derek Smith said:
Prof Prolapse said:
I think if Sam Harris believes Krauss may be guilty he is wise to distance himself as early as possible personally.
From an entirely selfish point of view I'd agree. However, there are ways of doing so without bringing in what appears to be hearsay. Michael Crow, president of Arizona State, told The State Press, an independent student news organization, that the university had received no complaints of harassment against Dr. Krauss. The university started the investigation after being contacted by BuzzFeed.
Derek Smith said:
Prof Prolapse said:
I think if Sam Harris believes Krauss may be guilty he is wise to distance himself as early as possible personally.
From an entirely selfish point of view I'd agree. However, there are ways of doing so without bringing in what appears to be hearsay. Eh? How is distancing you and your organisation from someone you believe is a sexual predator, selfish?
It's small circles in the academic circles mate. They will have mutual acquiatances. It's perfectly feasible Harris will have heard directly from a reliable source he trusts more tha Krauss.
Personally, I don't know them. But if Sam Harris is backing that horse, that's where my money now is.
I'll wait for the outcome of course. But balance of probabilities just shifted for me.
Wait to see if Dawkins comments. That's your nail in his coffim when he does.
Gassing Station | Science! | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff