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dfen5

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2,398 posts

218 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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Just doing some 11+ papers with the daughter and one question got me stumped.

Baz is 5 years older than his brother and 1 year younger than his cousin.

His uncle is 3 times the age of his cousin and 4 times the age of his brother.

How old is Baz?

how does one go about working this out? I know it's a number that will give the same result x3 and x4 but there's got to be a quick way..


schmunk

4,399 posts

131 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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dfen5 said:
Just doing some 11+ papers with the daughter and one question got me stumped.

Baz is 5 years older than his brother and 1 year younger than his cousin.

His uncle is 3 times the age of his cousin and 4 times the age of his brother.

How old is Baz?

how does one go about working this out? I know it's a number that will give the same result x3 and x4 but there's got to be a quick way..
4(x-5) = 3(x+1)

4x - 20 = 3x + 3

4x - 3x = 3 - 20

X = -17

You've written it down incorrectly...


V8LM

5,237 posts

215 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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Yes, written down wrong:

Bz = 5 Br

Bz = C - 1

U = 3 C

U = 4 Br


Bz = 5 U / 4

Bz = 5 3C / 4

Bz = 5 3(Bz + 1) / 4

4 Bz = 15 Bz + 5

11 Bz = -5

Bz = -5 / 11

?

EliseNick

271 posts

187 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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dfen5 said:
Just doing some 11+ papers with the daughter and one question got me stumped.

Baz is 5 years older than his brother and 1 year younger than his cousin.

His uncle is 3 times the age of his cousin and 4 times the age of his brother.

How old is Baz?

how does one go about working this out? I know it's a number that will give the same result x3 and x4 but there's got to be a quick way..
My thought process was; The cousin (c) is six years older than the brother (b), so c=b+6.

Also we know, from the uncle's age that 3*c = 4*b

Putting these together;
3(b + 6) = 4b
3b + 18 = 4b
b = 18

So Baz = 18 + 5 = 23.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

114 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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I don't know, but Math has an S on the end of it.

dfen5

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2,398 posts

218 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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The question stops at how old is Baz. The rest is just my dribblings. Looks like I've written as the book.

FWIW

3,139 posts

103 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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DoubleD said:
I don't know, but Math has an S on the end of it.
Glad it wasn't just me.

dfen5

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218 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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EliseNick said:
My thought process was; The cousin (c) is six years older than the brother (b), so c=b+6.

Also we know, from the uncle's age that 3*c = 4*b

Putting these together;
3(b + 6) = 4b
3b + 18 = 4b
b = 18

So Baz = 18 + 5 = 23.
We have a winner. I still don't get how you did that.. Doh!

Edit. Got it now, thank you.

Edited by dfen5 on Monday 11th April 21:00

EliseNick

271 posts

187 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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dfen5 said:
We have a winner. I still don't get how you did that.. Doh!
Do you mean you don't get the maths or don't get how I knew how to do it?

M4cruiser

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156 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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schmunk said:
4(x-5) = 3(x+1)

4x - 20 = 3x + 3

4x - 3x = 3 - 20

X = -17

You've written it down incorrectly...
Correct answer is 23.

This algebra from schmunk is correct up to the line
4x - 3x = 3 - 20 which should be 4x - 3x = 3 +20; you just got "-" instead of "+" (adding 20 to both sides)




dfen5

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2,398 posts

218 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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EliseNick said:
Do you mean you don't get the maths or don't get how I knew how to do it?
Got it now, thank you. beer

stuartmmcfc

8,688 posts

198 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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Orange

wilwak

759 posts

176 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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Baz = Bruv + 5
Baz = Cous -1

Unc = 3 x Cous
Unc = 4 x Bruv

===>

Bruv + 5 = Cous -1 =====>> Bruv = Cous -6

3 x Cous = 4 x Bruv

3 x Cous = 4 x (Cous - 6)

3 x Cous = 4 x Cous - 24

Cous = 24

===>>> Baz = 24 - 1 = 23 (The Answer)

To check:

Bruv = 18
Cous = 24

Uncle = 72

Sorted! :-)




EliseNick

271 posts

187 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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dfen5 said:
Got it now, thank you. beer
Good stuff!

sidicks

25,218 posts

227 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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dfen5 said:
We have a winner. I still don't get how you did that.. Doh!
Does this help?

Let Bz = Baz, Br = Brother, C = cousin, U = uncle.

We know that:
(1) Bz = Br + 5
(2) Bz = C - 1
(3) U = 3 x C
(4) U = 4 x Br

(3),(4) => 3C = 4Br (5)

Substituting in (5) for C from (2) and Br from (1) => 3 x (Bz+1) = 4x(Bz-5)

=> 3Bz + 3 = 4Bz - 20
=> Bz = 23
=> Br = 18
=> C = 24
=> U = 72

(as above!)

wilwak

759 posts

176 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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Shuks! Beaten to it! I type too slow on this Ipad thingy!!!

sidicks

25,218 posts

227 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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wilwak said:
Shuks! Beaten to it! I type too slow on this Ipad thingy!!!
You still beat me!

schmunk

4,399 posts

131 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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M4cruiser said:
schmunk said:
4(x-5) = 3(x+1)

4x - 20 = 3x + 3

4x - 3x = 3 - 20

X = -17

You've written it down incorrectly...
Correct answer is 23.

This algebra from schmunk is correct up to the line
4x - 3x = 3 - 20 which should be 4x - 3x = 3 +20; you just got "-" instead of "+" (adding 20 to both sides)
Apologies, doing it on my phone whilst cooking supper - inappropriate level of care given...

Edited by schmunk on Monday 11th April 21:27

thanetspeedshop

503 posts

196 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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Yeah, whatever... He's 23.

V8LM

5,237 posts

215 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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V8LM said:
Yes, written down wrong:

Bz = 5 Br

Bz = C - 1

U = 3 C

U = 4 Br


Bz = 5 U / 4

Bz = 5 3C / 4

Bz = 5 3(Bz + 1) / 4

4 Bz = 15 Bz + 5

11 Bz = -5

Bz = -5 / 11

?
Ignore the drivel above.

Bz = Br + 5 (NOT 5 Br).

Bz = C - 1

U = 3 C

U = 4 Br


Bz = U / 4 + 5

Bz = 3C / 4 + 5

Bz = 3 (Bz + 1) / 4 + 5

4 Bz = 3 (Bz + 1) + 20

Bz = 23