Climate Change - The Scientific Debate (Vol. II)
Discussion
Following on from version 1 here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Prof Prolapse said:
Fours years of berating the scientists, and ill-informed arguments.
MMGW theory remains the best and most widely accepted theory.
Time to accept to defeat chaps?
Have I lit the touch paper?
Except mmgw theory has been totally falsified by no warming for 19 years now, and no sign of the tropospheric hotspot!MMGW theory remains the best and most widely accepted theory.
Time to accept to defeat chaps?
Have I lit the touch paper?
Time for you to admit defeat, you trolling fool
That's definitely lit the touch paper
Edited by clyffepypard on Friday 4th September 15:29
I tried to post about this before, but I seem to regularly see news items about the breaking off of the Western shelf of the Antarctic ice sheet. However, I only recently found out that there's a bloody volcano under that area.
Is that news to anyone else? Are am I waaaaay out of date?
Is that news to anyone else? Are am I waaaaay out of date?
I'm genuinely not trolling. It's Friday afternoon and poking gentle fun...
We of course know from our knowledge of the argument, that those correct observations, don't disprove the theory of MMGW of course. Just those theories specific to those observations.
Anywho, I'm not interested in convincing you of anything.
We of course know from our knowledge of the argument, that those correct observations, don't disprove the theory of MMGW of course. Just those theories specific to those observations.
Anywho, I'm not interested in convincing you of anything.
ked up by religion and wars before global warming kills us off.Still after all these years, if the MMGW theory was so clear cut then there would be the clear causality measurements/evidence of it existence.
And still this evidence can not be seen.
Over the recent decades only a few hockey sticks and playing with numbers over short time scales only shows up the desperation of the warm camp.
And still this evidence can not be seen.
Over the recent decades only a few hockey sticks and playing with numbers over short time scales only shows up the desperation of the warm camp.
No one complains about MMGW - it's the unproven CAGW theory that is costing us lives (increased basic food costs due to biofuels and increased energy costs linked with increasing winter mortality rates) and costing us all a fortune for no benefit that is the problem.
There is now less and less evidence that there is any catastrophic climate change linked to CO2 yet more and more money is being wasted (ask about the non-existence of positive feedbacks essential to the catastrophic part of the theory).
There is now less and less evidence that there is any catastrophic climate change linked to CO2 yet more and more money is being wasted (ask about the non-existence of positive feedbacks essential to the catastrophic part of the theory).
LordGrover said:
I didn't participate, nor read the 'old' thread on this, but it's a topic that interests me.
Is this to be a light-hearted poke-fun-at-the-believers or a genuine discussion about what could/should be done?
Well it's supposedly about the actual science behind the data BUT to contribute you should:Is this to be a light-hearted poke-fun-at-the-believers or a genuine discussion about what could/should be done?
1) Absolutely decry all IPCC statements and data
2) Accept the BBCs role in this
3) Point out, regularly, that's it's not warmer and how it's obvious they forgot <insert causal factor in fashion this page>
4) Ultimately understand that climate change is a global conspiracy largely headed up by the BBC and those dirty scientists in the pay of shadowing governmental agencies
There's is no agreement, the data you and I are allowed to see is incorrect and have I mentioned I'm not warmer than I was, my house is not flooded and cows produce more harmful greenhouse gases than my car could ever hope to.
The really sad thing is that there's clearly some intelligent discussion that could be had; there's a bunch of stuff we (as in humanity does) that isn't tenable in the long term and doesn't necessarily make sense to do BUT it get's lost in the constant noise about how it's not my and wind power being another conspiracy (for example).
GnuBee said:
Well it's supposedly about the actual science behind the data BUT to contribute you should:
1) Absolutely decry all IPCC statements and data
2) Accept the BBCs role in this
3) Point out, regularly, that's it's not warmer and how it's obvious they forgot <insert causal factor in fashion this page>
4) Ultimately understand that climate change is a global conspiracy largely headed up by the BBC and those dirty scientists in the pay of shadowing governmental agencies
There's is no agreement, the data you and I are allowed to see is incorrect and have I mentioned I'm not warmer than I was, my house is not flooded and cows produce more harmful greenhouse gases than my car could ever hope to.
The really sad thing is that there's clearly some intelligent discussion that could be had; there's a bunch of stuff we (as in humanity does) that isn't tenable in the long term and doesn't necessarily make sense to do BUT it get's lost in the constant noise about how it's not my and wind power being another conspiracy (for example).
indeed - too much self-affirming confirmation bias (here and in the CC politics thread) to have a sensible discussion.1) Absolutely decry all IPCC statements and data
2) Accept the BBCs role in this
3) Point out, regularly, that's it's not warmer and how it's obvious they forgot <insert causal factor in fashion this page>
4) Ultimately understand that climate change is a global conspiracy largely headed up by the BBC and those dirty scientists in the pay of shadowing governmental agencies
There's is no agreement, the data you and I are allowed to see is incorrect and have I mentioned I'm not warmer than I was, my house is not flooded and cows produce more harmful greenhouse gases than my car could ever hope to.
The really sad thing is that there's clearly some intelligent discussion that could be had; there's a bunch of stuff we (as in humanity does) that isn't tenable in the long term and doesn't necessarily make sense to do BUT it get's lost in the constant noise about how it's not my and wind power being another conspiracy (for example).
Lotus 50 said:
GnuBee said:
Well it's supposedly about the actual science behind the data BUT to contribute you should:
1) Absolutely decry all IPCC statements and data
2) Accept the BBCs role in this
3) Point out, regularly, that's it's not warmer and how it's obvious they forgot <insert causal factor in fashion this page>
4) Ultimately understand that climate change is a global conspiracy largely headed up by the BBC and those dirty scientists in the pay of shadowing governmental agencies
There's is no agreement, the data you and I are allowed to see is incorrect and have I mentioned I'm not warmer than I was, my house is not flooded and cows produce more harmful greenhouse gases than my car could ever hope to.
The really sad thing is that there's clearly some intelligent discussion that could be had; there's a bunch of stuff we (as in humanity does) that isn't tenable in the long term and doesn't necessarily make sense to do BUT it get's lost in the constant noise about how it's not my and wind power being another conspiracy (for example).
indeed - too much self-affirming confirmation bias (here and in the CC politics thread) to have a sensible discussion.1) Absolutely decry all IPCC statements and data
2) Accept the BBCs role in this
3) Point out, regularly, that's it's not warmer and how it's obvious they forgot <insert causal factor in fashion this page>
4) Ultimately understand that climate change is a global conspiracy largely headed up by the BBC and those dirty scientists in the pay of shadowing governmental agencies
There's is no agreement, the data you and I are allowed to see is incorrect and have I mentioned I'm not warmer than I was, my house is not flooded and cows produce more harmful greenhouse gases than my car could ever hope to.
The really sad thing is that there's clearly some intelligent discussion that could be had; there's a bunch of stuff we (as in humanity does) that isn't tenable in the long term and doesn't necessarily make sense to do BUT it get's lost in the constant noise about how it's not my and wind power being another conspiracy (for example).
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