What the.... alternative space elevator

What the.... alternative space elevator

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RizzoTheRat

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25,995 posts

199 months

Monday 17th August 2015
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Anyone seen this?
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/17/spa...

Not sure I'd fancy being in an aircraft trying to land on a 20km tall inflatable tower! Nutters.

Halmyre

11,554 posts

146 months

Tuesday 18th August 2015
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RizzoTheRat said:
Anyone seen this?
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/17/spa...

Not sure I'd fancy being in an aircraft trying to land on a 20km tall inflatable tower! Nutters.
I'll have whatever he's having.

Some Gump

12,864 posts

193 months

Tuesday 18th August 2015
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wow, an infinitely strong, wind impervious stick. Easy to engineer.

xRIEx

8,180 posts

155 months

Tuesday 18th August 2015
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Maybe they should try building a 1km tall structure, before going to 5km, then 10km, then 15km, then 20km.

MrBrightSi

2,914 posts

177 months

Tuesday 18th August 2015
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I've been hearing about space elevators for years and years.

Be nice to see one attempted, it would take a lot of the complexities of exiting earths atmosphere out of the question. However, the im guessing the complexities of keeping something suspended in orbit while being tethered to the earth is just as hard but JFK said it best:

"We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too."

xRIEx

8,180 posts

155 months

Tuesday 18th August 2015
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MrBrightSi said:
Be nice to see one attempted, it would take a lot of the complexities of exiting earths atmosphere out of the question.
I'm sure some very smart people have done the sums for both sides of the argument, but how much energy will it take to pump the required fuel for the air/spacecraft up 20km, along with raising an elevator of x mass?

I suppose they can use regenerative methods when the elevator 'falls' to earth, but still.

RizzoTheRat

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25,995 posts

199 months

Tuesday 18th August 2015
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In theory it makes some sense. It takes a rocket a hell of a lot of energy to fight gravity and drag and reach 20km (although they're going pretty quick by the time they get there), and they need a lot of excess thrust to carry the fuel needed to get there. White Knight released SpaceShip 1/2 at about 15km, and while that was about height rather than orbital velocities, launching from 20km stationary is probably more efficient than launching from 15km at a few hundred knots.

In practice it's not just one wave short of a shipwreck, it's missing the whole ocean and the boat!

A true space elevator would protrude out further than geostationary orbit (36,000km) so the whole things in tension, think they've got a way to go yet.

Toaster

2,940 posts

200 months

Friday 21st August 2015
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I posted this in the mars thread and only just spotted this one so here goes:

Yuri Artsutanov came up with the Space elevator which is now technically feasible each one could lift 1500 tonnes per annum

http://spaceref.com/space-elevator

Also you will find him here https://youtu.be/UK-q6f8SUCE

Couple of nice videos here showing how this would work http://www.spaceward.org/elevator


Edited by Toaster on Friday 21st August 21:39

hairy v

1,299 posts

151 months

Monday 17th June
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Apparently Obayashi plan to build one by 2050!

https://www.obayashi.co.jp/en/news/detail/the_spac...

dvs_dave

9,040 posts

232 months

Sunday 23rd June
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Building a continuous structure 36,000km from the surface of the earth out to a geostationary terminal is not going to happen, probably ever.