Apollo - Soyuz Test Project

Apollo - Soyuz Test Project

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Eric Mc

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Wednesday 15th July 2015
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40th anniversary of the launch of the Apollo component of this flight. I remember the mission really well.












jmorgan

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Wednesday 15th July 2015
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Yeah, that Saturn looked like it had been put on the naughty step.

Edit. Deke got to fly on that after getting reinstated. Seem to remember from his memoirs. Did not have a good splashdown?

Edited by jmorgan on Wednesday 15th July 11:15

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 15th July 2015
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A very nasty incident involving hypergolic thruster fuel leaking into the cabin atmosphere when descending under the parachutes.

budfox

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Wednesday 15th July 2015
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Just finished reading Deke! - He sure deserved that flight but that's one half-assed Saturn.

Eric Mc

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Thursday 16th July 2015
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Half-assed?

In what way?

Hooli

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Thursday 16th July 2015
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Wasn't there some oddity about pressures & air types meaning only one crew could leave & visit t'other?

Eric Mc

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Thursday 16th July 2015
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Russian spacecraft used a normal air mixture of oxygen and nitrogen.

The Apollo spacecraft used a pure oxygen atmosphere only.

That is why there had to be a fairly large docking adapter between the two vehicles. As well as providing a common interface between the two very different docking systems used by Soyuz and Apollo, it served as an acclimatisation chamber where the crews could pre-breath as they moved from one spacecraft to the other.

The main issue was transferring from Soyuz to Apollo. Because the Soyuz atmosphere contained nitrogen, a straight transfer into the lower pressure pure oxygen atmosphere of the Apollo spacecraft could have resulted in a case of the bends.

Moving from Apollo to Soyuz was not such a problem.

Hooli

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Thursday 16th July 2015
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Thanks Eric.

Eric Mc

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Thursday 16th July 2015
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Although the Space Shuttle and the ISS also used/use a normal air mixture (like Soyuz still does), the change from air to pure oxygen is still an issue - namely when someone needs to perform an EVA.

Spacesuits still use pure oxygen systems. Before an astronaut performs a spacewalk, they need to purge any nitrogen from their blood. This involves pre-breathing oxygen for a while before donning the spacesuit. The ratio between nitrogen and oxygen in the ISS is also amended before a spacewalk to allow the transition to happen more speedily.

Edited by Eric Mc on Thursday 16th July 13:44

RizzoTheRat

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Thursday 16th July 2015
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Presumably that's because the suits operate at a much lower pressure than the ship/stations?

I seem to remember the shuttle ran at 1 Bar, which seems surprising when most airliners operate at about 0.75 and apollo/mercury were about 1/3 Bar

Eric Mc

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Thursday 16th July 2015
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With a pure oxygen atmosphere the pressure has to be kept much lower - otherwise you will cause brain damage to the occupant and/or create an extreme fire risk.

The Apollo 1 fire of 1967 happened not because the atmosphere in the cabin was pure oxygen. It was because the atmosphere in the cabin was pure oxygen at 14 psi. In space, the normal pressure in the Apollo spacecraft (and in Mercury, Gemini and even Skylab) was only 5 psi.

The suits still operate at these low pressures for much the same reasons - as well as the fact that a suit pumped up to 14 psi would become far too rigid and ballooned up to be usable.

budfox

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Friday 17th July 2015
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Eric Mc said:
Half-assed?

In what way?
Well it's 'only' a Saturn 1B and not a Saturn V

Einion Yrth

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Friday 17th July 2015
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budfox said:
Eric Mc said:
Half-assed?

In what way?
Well it's 'only' a Saturn 1B and not a Saturn V
Smallish lift to LEO? A V might just be considered overkill.

jmorgan

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Friday 17th July 2015
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And if continued rather than the shuttle......

But that is old ground and another story.

budfox

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Friday 17th July 2015
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Einion Yrth said:
Smallish lift to LEO? A V might just be considered overkill.
Of course, but Deke deserved a Saturn V

Eric Mc

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Friday 17th July 2015
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He was grateful for what he got.

Einion Yrth

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Friday 17th July 2015
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He was Mercury. 1B's a step up from Redstone and Atlas.

Eric Mc

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Saturday 18th July 2015
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Obviously, Deke was selected as part of the Mercury selection process but he was an astronaut throughout the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo missions. He just happened to be a grounded astronaut. He was head of crew selection for all that period so was intimately involved in all three projects and took part in crew training throughout.

He never gave up the expectation that one day he would get a flight.