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maffski

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1,879 posts

165 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2015
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Scientists as the Australian National University have carried out an interesting delayed choice experiment

It's the normal wave/particle slit experiment, except with atoms rather than photons and the slits are laser grids.

When passed through a single grid particle behaviour is seen, when passed through two grids in sequence it shows wave behaviour.

The interesting bit - the gap between the grids is large enough that the second grid is only switched on/off after the atom has passed through the first grid - in other words the history of the atom is only fixed once it is observed.


Simpo Two

86,730 posts

271 months

Wednesday 3rd June 2015
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Like Schrodinger's cat you mean, and the tree in the forest?

MartG

21,084 posts

210 months

Thursday 4th June 2015
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Weird indeed

maffski

Original Poster:

1,879 posts

165 months

Thursday 4th June 2015
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Simpo Two said:
Like Schrodinger's cat you mean, and the tree in the forest?
Where you can't know if the cat has pcensoredd against the tree until you sit down for a rest?

RizzoTheRat

25,824 posts

198 months

Thursday 4th June 2015
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My brain hurts. Does this mean that if nobody's there to hear it a tree doesn't even fall down in the forest?

Munter

31,326 posts

247 months

Thursday 4th June 2015
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RizzoTheRat said:
My brain hurts. Does this mean that if nobody's there to hear it a tree doesn't even fall down in the forest?
It means the tree never existed until someone sees it. At which point it's vertical or horizontal attributes can be assessed to determine it's future noise making ability.

maffski

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1,879 posts

165 months

Thursday 4th June 2015
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Munter said:
RizzoTheRat said:
My brain hurts. Does this mean that if nobody's there to hear it a tree doesn't even fall down in the forest?
It means the tree never existed until someone sees it. At which point it's vertical or horizontal attributes can be assessed to determine it's future noise making ability.
If I read the release properly it would be something like 'the reason the tree fell down was because you heard it hit the ground' - that the cause was determined by the perceived effect.

There's another interesting experiment in a Daily Mail article which seems to suggest that uncertainty in quantum measurements goes backwards in time as well as forwards

Munter

31,326 posts

247 months

Thursday 4th June 2015
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maffski said:
If I read the release properly it would be something like 'the reason the tree fell down was because you heard it hit the ground' - that the cause was determined by the perceived effect.
Ah right. I got it a bit messed up. smile

Galileo

3,147 posts

224 months

Thursday 4th June 2015
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That's not how I see it. It's more like the the thing is either a tree or a rock, and it's only when you observe it does it decide which one it's going to be.

gadgetmac

14,984 posts

114 months

Thursday 4th June 2015
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And if it's true for a rock or tree...then its true for you and me.

tumble dryer

2,075 posts

133 months

Thursday 4th June 2015
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No. Not at all. You're forgetting Scissors. The ones that cut the paper.

C'mon, keep up.


tumble dryer

2,075 posts

133 months

Thursday 4th June 2015
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How do I delete Rizzo's post....? laugh

Halmyre

11,461 posts

145 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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maffski said:
If I read the release properly it would be something like 'the reason the tree fell down was because you heard it hit the ground' - that the cause was determined by the perceived effect.

There's another interesting experiment in a Daily Mail article which seems to suggest that uncertainty in quantum measurements goes backwards in time as well as forwards
This explains why when I measure up for a shelf or a curtain rail and cut it to the measured size and go to fit it and the bd is now the wrong size. However, the uncertainty is also asymmetric - the size is always too fking short...

motco

16,177 posts

252 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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Halmyre said:
maffski said:
If I read the release properly it would be something like 'the reason the tree fell down was because you heard it hit the ground' - that the cause was determined by the perceived effect.

There's another interesting experiment in a Daily Mail article which seems to suggest that uncertainty in quantum measurements goes backwards in time as well as forwards
This explains why when I measure up for a shelf or a curtain rail and cut it to the measured size and go to fit it and the bd is now the wrong size. However, the uncertainty is also asymmetric - the size is always too fking short...
I sometimes find it's too long but by an amount so small that it is impractical to make a further cut to correct it!

RizzoTheRat

25,824 posts

198 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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tumble dryer said:
How do I delete Rizzo's post....? laugh
What post?

aizvara

2,053 posts

173 months

Friday 5th June 2015
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This really sounds like the sort of optimisation done when rendering a video game world - try to only calculate details if someone is looking.

Plasticspoon

32 posts

131 months

Saturday 6th June 2015
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http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html

Now lets get to the end of these irrational numbers shall we?

XM5ER

5,094 posts

254 months

Wednesday 10th June 2015
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RizzoTheRat said:
What post?
The one you are going to have made tomesterday.

ATG

21,154 posts

278 months

Wednesday 10th June 2015
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RizzoTheRat said:
What post?
You'll remembering posting it as soon as he finds it.

AA999

5,180 posts

223 months

Friday 12th June 2015
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I've been trying to further my knowledge on quantum mechanics but it sounds to me like if you go looking for particles you can find particles, if you go looking for waves you can find waves.
I'm not sure how these recent experiments are to infer that the 'particle' doesn't know what it is until we decide by observation what it is.

Does anyone have the ability to explain it at a more basic level?