Government to allow spaceport UK

Government to allow spaceport UK

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MartG

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21,253 posts

211 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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Probably all hot air and will come to nothing though....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-2722...

jmorgan

36,010 posts

291 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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Curious as to the extent of this going up business from the UK seeing we are a tad up from the equator.

Edit. Environmentalists will have a seizure so I hope it happens.

anonymous-user

61 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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If it's space tourism then virgin galactic will need to be persuaded to relocate there. Skylon if it ever happens would presumably also need a long runway near the coast.

So spaceplanes requirements would possibly be, long runway, remote and near the coast, Machrihanish perhaps

As said above, launching rockets from high latitude seems to go against everyone else's thinking.

Edited by el stovey on Thursday 1st May 10:00

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

261 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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UK is at the wrong latitude really isnt it?

jmorgan

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291 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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That was what I was thinking the further you go from the equator. They altered the orbit for the ISS for the Russians and it is awkward, or was, for the shuttle to reach from the US as I understood it. From what I have read, its not impossible, just gets more expensive to put anything into orbit.

But if Virgin are just lobbing them up for quick look see then that will not matter.

RobDickinson

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261 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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True, actually getting to space is pretty 'easy' from a fuel and velocity pov, staying in space is a whole other game.

Eric Mc

122,864 posts

272 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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What latitude is the Russian Plesetsk site?

What latitude is Vandenberg AFB?

anonymous-user

61 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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Eric Mc said:
What latitude is the Russian Plesetsk site?

What latitude is Vandenberg AFB?
63N and 34N

Machrihanish is 55N

Eric Mc

122,864 posts

272 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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Thanks - so the Plesetsk site is pretty northerly.

Russia was also looking to build a new main launch site within Russian territory (unless it now has plans to annex Kazakhstan, of course).


jmorgan

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291 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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Eric Mc said:
What latitude is the Russian Plesetsk site?

What latitude is Vandenberg AFB?
Not saying its impossible just pricey. Businesses will not miss this.


anonymous-user

61 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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Either way I. Hope it happens, I love the idea of a spaceport in the UK.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

291 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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I hope it does as well. The UK has quite an involvement in the space industry.

Eric Mc

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272 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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jmorgan said:
Not saying its impossible just pricey. Businesses will not miss this.
I reckon there will be defence related purposes behind this as well.

jmorgan

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291 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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Well, they have an old testing ground they could re open

CrutyRammers

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205 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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I'm all for it in principle, but we don't seem very well placed for this. You want something near the equator, to get the most free velocity from the earth's rotation.
You will generally be launching towards the east for this reason. This means you really want a big empty area to the east to deal with aborts and accidents. The US have the atlantic, Russia has great tracts of space, we have...densly populated western europe.

jmorgan

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291 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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CrutyRammers said:
I'm all for it in principle, but we don't seem very well placed for this. You want something near the equator, to get the most free velocity from the earth's rotation.
You will generally be launching towards the east for this reason. This means you really want a big empty area to the east to deal with aborts and accidents. The US have the atlantic, Russia has great tracts of space, we have...densly populated western europe.
Not our problem, they can get out the way......

Some of the info I was reading on Apollo showing the range out to sea to keep clear was quite illuminating. Of course same for the shuttle.

Caruso

7,469 posts

263 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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jmorgan said:
Well, they have an old testing ground they could re open
That was my first thought - the Isle of Wight.

For polar orbit the high latitude isn't such an issue.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

262 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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Oh, god, the last thing we need is another bloody Branson....

MartG

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21,253 posts

211 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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Caruso said:
jmorgan said:
Well, they have an old testing ground they could re open
That was my first thought - the Isle of Wight.

For polar orbit the high latitude isn't such an issue.
In addition to the test stands at High Downs and Spadeadam IIRC at one point there was some thought put into creating a rocket range on the coast of Norfolk for launches northward into polar orbit across the North Sea - unlikely now that there are a lot of high value oil and gas rigs in the way. In the end they built a test range on South Uist in the Hebrides ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Uist ) as well as Ty Croes on Anglesey ( now Anglesey Circuit ).

MrCarPark

528 posts

148 months

Friday 2nd May 2014
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The Telegraph quoted David Willetts as saying “We want an area where there is not much civil airspace, where it is not very busy... It might be smaller airports, it might be underused or disused RAF airfields."

So why not use RAF Marham, located in the middle of the aptly-named area 'EGD-ORBIT 3'

http://skyvector.com/?ll=52.64817394308726,0.54931...

The runway might need to be extended, but it has a lot going for it logistically.