What size do particles behave like waves?

What size do particles behave like waves?

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AJI

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Sunday 10th November 2013
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The famous double slit experiment.
Use large particles and fire them at two holes large enough for them to pass through and you simply get two lines behind the holes where they hit. (Marbles for example).
But use small enough particles through small holes and you get them behaving like waves. (Electrons for example - as long as you are not observing them on their journey that is).

My question is, what is the dimension for when large enough becomes small enough to make the transition between particle behaviour and in to wave behaviour?

Tim330

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Sunday 10th November 2013
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I remember the De Broglie's wavelength from my chemistry degree & that all particles show wave/particle duality but it is more pronounced in small particles.
A little bit of reading from Wikipedia suggests its around 21.7651 µg.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave%E2%80%93particle...

"Wave behavior of large objects[edit]

Since the demonstrations of wave-like properties in photons and electrons, similar experiments have been conducted with neutrons and protons. Among the most famous experiments are those of Estermann and Otto Stern in 1929.[14] Authors of similar recent experiments with atoms and molecules, described below, claim that these larger particles also act like waves.

A dramatic series of experiments emphasizing the action of gravity in relation to wave–particle duality were conducted in the 1970s using the neutron interferometer.[15] Neutrons, one of the components of the atomic nucleus, provide much of the mass of a nucleus and thus of ordinary matter. In the neutron interferometer, they act as quantum-mechanical waves directly subject to the force of gravity. While the results were not surprising since gravity was known to act on everything, including light (see tests of general relativity and the Pound-Rebka falling photon experiment), the self-interference of the quantum mechanical wave of a massive fermion in a gravitational field had never been experimentally confirmed before.

In 1999, the diffraction of C60 fullerenes by researchers from the University of Vienna was reported.[16] Fullerenes are comparatively large and massive objects, having an atomic mass of about 720 u. The de Broglie wavelength is 2.5 pm, whereas the diameter of the molecule is about 1 nm, about 400 times larger. In 2012, these far-field diffraction experiments could be extended to phthalocyanine molecules and their heavier derivatives, which are composed of 58 and 114 atoms respectively. In these experiments the build-up of such interference patterns could be recorded in real time and with single molecule sensitivity.[17][18]

In 2003, the Vienna group also demonstrated the wave nature of tetraphenylporphyrin[19]—a flat biodye with an extension of about 2 nm and a mass of 614 u. For this demonstration they employed a near-field Talbot Lau interferometer.[20][21] In the same interferometer they also found interference fringes for C60F48., a fluorinated buckyball with a mass of about 1600 u, composed of 108 atoms.[19] Large molecules are already so complex that they give experimental access to some aspects of the quantum-classical interface, i.e., to certain decoherence mechanisms.[22][23] In 2011, the interference of molecules as heavy as 6910 u could be demonstrated in a Kapitza–Dirac–Talbot–Lau interferometer. These are the largest objects that so far showed de Broglie matter-wave interference.[24] In 2013, the interference of molecules beyond 10,000 u has been demonstrated.[25]

Whether objects heavier than the Planck mass (about the weight of a large bacterium) have a de Broglie wavelength is theoretically unclear and experimentally unreachable; above the Planck mass a particle's Compton wavelength would be smaller than the Planck length and its own Schwarzschild radius, a scale at which current theories of physics may break down or need to be replaced by more general ones.[26]

Recently Couder, Fort, et al. showed[27] that we can use macroscopic oil droplets on a vibrating surface as a model of wave–particle duality—localized droplet creates periodical waves around and interaction with them leads to quantum-like phenomena: interference in double-slit experiment,[28] unpredictable tunneling[29] (depending in complicated way on practically hidden state of field), orbit quantization[30] (that particle has to 'find a resonance' with field perturbations it creates—after one orbit, its internal phase has to return to the initial state) and Zeeman effect.[31]
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AJI

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Monday 11th November 2013
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Cheers.
Interesting read.

So it seems it can be done with relatively large molecules as well as single electrons, protons etc.

Halmyre

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Monday 11th November 2013
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My wife is an observable case of wave/particle duality. Given the choice of a series of apertures (shop doorways), it is impossible to predict which one she has entered at any given time.