Chemical Leak - Manchester

Chemical Leak - Manchester

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Ian Lancs

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1,128 posts

172 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-20...

It's been a while since I did Chemistry but isn't this bad "Firefighters are dousing the acid with water."?

If I remember the rhyme adding water to acid is bad (generates the gas?)

RealSquirrels

11,327 posts

198 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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for a start, if it's gas, it's hydrogen chloride gas and not hydrochloric acid gas (which is nothing).

if you've got a lot of HCl escaping then spraying it with water is not a bad idea as it should go into solution and then can in principle just be washed away. much better than clouds of HCl everywhere.

adding water to acid is ok but adding concentrated acid to water is not always the best idea (depending on concentrations you can get away with it - i always forget which way round is the 'sensible' way).

Ian Lancs

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1,128 posts

172 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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A bit more searching of the mind...
Here lies claire* still and placid, she added water to the acid. Clever Jane did as she ought to, she added acid to the water.

(Claire may not be right, but it fits. My teacher was a letch so used girls names!)

hornet

6,333 posts

256 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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Billy was a scientist
He isn't any more
For what he thought was H2O
Was H2SO4

About the only thing I remember from chemistry smile

XM5ER

5,094 posts

254 months

Friday 16th November 2012
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Don't worry, it's pimpley sissing down there tonight.

otolith

58,370 posts

210 months

Saturday 17th November 2012
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XM5ER said:
Don't worry, it's pimpley sissing down there tonight.
If you can see the Pennines from Old Trafford, it's about to rain. If you can't, it already is.

Ian Lancs

Original Poster:

1,128 posts

172 months

Saturday 17th November 2012
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hornet said:
Billy was a scientist
He isn't any more
For what he thought was H2O
Was H2SO4

About the only thing I remember from chemistry smile
Now I remember that as well - wonder what piece of useful information I've just replaced....

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

250 months

Saturday 17th November 2012
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"For heaven's sake do as you ought'a - add the acid to the woughta (water) If you think your life's too placid, add the water to the acid" ok it works in a cockney accent.

It applies mostly to sulphuric acid because:

- the reaction between it and water is highly exothermic,
- water is far lighter, and
- sulphuric acid is a poor conductor of heat.

The water thus spreads out on the top causing a large surface area for a violent reaction to take place which boils the layer water at the surface and spits out the acid water mix, which will be very concentrated.

If you add acid to the water it sinks down in a lump with a lower surface area thus a slower reaction, and the falling movement and mass of water will allow enough cooling to avoid boiling.

You still have to add it slowly.

In dilute acid the reaction is obviously less exothermic so there is less risk.

Simpo Two

86,704 posts

271 months

Saturday 17th November 2012
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hornet said:
Billy was a scientist
He isn't any more
For what he thought was H2O
Was H2SO4
That must be the same Billy who had a ten-foot willy and showed it to the girl next door...



(Or was that Jimmy...?!)

crofty1984

16,166 posts

210 months

Monday 19th November 2012
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Ian Lancs said:
hornet said:
Billy was a scientist
He isn't any more
For what he thought was H2O
Was H2SO4

About the only thing I remember from chemistry smile
Now I remember that as well - wonder what piece of useful information I've just replaced....
Homer: Everytime I learn something new, it pushes some old stuff out of my brain! Remember that time I learnt how to make my own wine and forgot how to drive?
Marge: That's because you were drunk!
Homer (dreamily): And how...