Climate Change - The Scientific Debate (Vol. II)

[Lawro]

B.Eccelerock said:

seriously, who makes this st up:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/articles/c722zjvj1zq...

Weather analysts with hundreds of Stevenson screens and Super computers at a rough guess.

[HarryW]

B.Eccelerock said:

seriously, who makes this st up:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/articles/c722zjvj1zq...

The scientific journal called the DM ran the met story on the warmest spring on record. I think the peer review comments on the article were on message and aligned well, or not!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1348914...

[HarryW]

Lawro said:

B.Eccelerock said:

seriously, who makes this st up:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/articles/c722zjvj1zq...

Weather analysts with hundreds of Stevenson screens and Super computers at a rough guess.

You do wonder whether they get out of the office at all or have opening windows though, but the computer can’t be wrong can it…..

[Kawasicki]

NOAA, billion dollar disasters and scientific integrity

https://www.nature.com/articles/s44304-024-00011-0

[juliussneezer]

HarryW said:

Lawro said:

B.Eccelerock said:

seriously, who makes this st up:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/articles/c722zjvj1zq...

Weather analysts with hundreds of Stevenson screens and Super computers at a rough guess.

You do wonder whether they get out of the office at all or have opening windows though, but the computer can’t be wrong can it…..

The farmer next door to me is muck spreading and the pong is incredible. Using your analysis method the whole country must stink to high heaven.

[HarryW]

juliussneezer said:

HarryW said:

Lawro said:

B.Eccelerock said:

seriously, who makes this st up:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/articles/c722zjvj1zq...

Weather analysts with hundreds of Stevenson screens and Super computers at a rough guess.

You do wonder whether they get out of the office at all or have opening windows though, but the computer can’t be wrong can it…..

The farmer next door to me is muck spreading and the pong is incredible. Using your analysis method the whole country must stink to high heaven.

Yep if you place the surveying windows all near farmer fields that muck spread you could draw that conclusion.

[juliussneezer]

Fortunately in this analogy the windows are all over the UK so we don't have rely upon one person's anecdotal evidence.

[kerplunk]

Just looked at a local weather station in a field in the countryside in the east midlands - mean temps for May a tad higher than the UK result. Max 18.7C Min 10.0C

It's the lows that were exceptional all across the UK and by no narrow margin either.

England a whole1C warmer than previous warmest May. Outdone by Scotland - about 1.5C warmer than previous warmest.

[HarryW]

But my wearing of jumpers, rain coats and gas bill tells me something different.

[juliussneezer]

I thought this was the science thread not the 'what Harry wore yesterday' thread.

[kerplunk]

juliussneezer said:

I thought this was the science thread not the 'what Harry wore yesterday' thread.

I can understand the surprise. It's the hubristic self-belief over the data that's hilarious

[HarryW]

But my wearing of jumpers, rain coats and gas bill tells me something different.

[juliussneezer]

I'd switch gas supplier.

[soupdragon1]

HarryW said:

You do wonder whether they get out of the office at all or have opening windows though, but the computer can’t be wrong can it…..

[soupdragon1]

juliussneezer said:

Potential to address the base load problem with renewables but its some way off.

https://news.sky.com/story/quest-to-power-homes-wi...

A lot of hurdles to jump, but amazing tech.

From the article:

"That's now been shown to work for the first time at Queen's University Belfast, with a wireless beam successfully "steered" across a lab to turn on a light.

Martin Soltau, the company's founder, told Sky News in an exclusive interview: "This is a world first. You can get constant energy all the time."

My son is heading there this Autumn to study astrophysics. He was given a 1 to 1 tour around some of the labs (to which I tagged along) and some pretty incredible experiments going on in Queens. Never heard about this though so I'll share the article which I'm sure he'll find interesting.

[skwdenyer]

kerplunk said:

Just looked at a local weather station in a field in the countryside in the east midlands - mean temps for May a tad higher than the UK result. Max 18.7C Min 10.0C

It's the lows that were exceptional all across the UK and by no narrow margin either.

England a whole1C warmer than previous warmest May. Outdone by Scotland - about 1.5C warmer than previous warmest.

What would be interesting to see would be an “area under the curve” comparison of, if you like, Celsius-hours. My sense is that wouldn’t show the same signal.

[kerplunk]

HarryW said:

But my wearing of jumpers, rain coats and gas bill tells me something different.

You're very out-gunned

[kerplunk]

skwdenyer said:

kerplunk said:

Just looked at a local weather station in a field in the countryside in the east midlands - mean temps for May a tad higher than the UK result. Max 18.7C Min 10.0C

It's the lows that were exceptional all across the UK and by no narrow margin either.

England a whole1C warmer than previous warmest May. Outdone by Scotland - about 1.5C warmer than previous warmest.

What would be interesting to see would be an “area under the curve” comparison of, if you like, Celsius-hours. My sense is that wouldn’t show the same signal.

Wouldn't show which same signal - the minimum temps signal?

You probably could produce an index like that with modern continuous recording stations but you wouldn't be able to go very far back.

[HarryW]

kerplunk said:

HarryW said:

But my wearing of jumpers, rain coats and gas bill tells me something different.

You're very out-gunned

Do you have thicker jumpers then?

[kerplunk]

HarryW said:

kerplunk said:

HarryW said:

But my wearing of jumpers, rain coats and gas bill tells me something different.

You're very out-gunned

Do you have thicker jumpers then?

I don't wear jumpers much

I mean you're ill equipped to argue against a database of direct measurements by thermometers.