Different tyre profiles - will this kill my diff?

Different tyre profiles - will this kill my diff?

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Scooby P1

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2,617 posts

235 months

Wednesday 26th December 2012
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Hi all

I had fitted by a garage a pair of 215/45 17 profile front tyres where the rears are 215/40 17.

I only managed about 50 miles and my car started really shuddering and stinking of gearbox / diff oil.

Have I caused some damage by having mis matched profiles?

Is it the garage's responsibility for allowing an AWD car to drive off with different diameter tyres?

kaisegeberger

22 posts

234 months

Wednesday 26th December 2012
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in short, yes you have probably damaged it. If they fitted the tyres at your request you're not really going to get far with a claim. Surprised you didn,t notice some odd handling. You could try changing gearbox oil,but i suspect your centre diff is knackered.

Scooby P1

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2,617 posts

235 months

Wednesday 26th December 2012
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The front tyres obviously have a 5mm larger circumference as the profile is 45 not 40.
Problem was I had no other option as my front tyre had split and it was Xmas eve.

Under 40mph it was driveable and I only had bad juddering a couple of times and just went slower and slower to stop it. So it still runs currently but I have left it alone since.

Do you think I may have caught it in time and changing the tyres to the right size will solve it? Or is my centre diff going to be f***ed now for sure?

Under 40mph it didn't smell of diff oil anymore. Only concern was before this tyre issue....I had smelt this smell before just not as strongly.

kaisegeberger

22 posts

234 months

Wednesday 26th December 2012
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Might be ok if it didn't get too hot, but the burning gear oil smell sounds ominous. Unfortunately, viscous diffs cannot cope with sustained speed difference.

Janosh

1,745 posts

173 months

Thursday 27th December 2012
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The 'profile' is the sidewall height as a percentage of the treadwidth. So on a set of tires that are 215mm wide, a /40 profile tire would have an 86mm tall sidewall, and a /45 profile tire would have a 97mm sidewall, so a slightly bigger difference than you first thought.

Hopefully your diff's just overheated and not knackered!

Scooby P1

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2,617 posts

235 months

Thursday 27th December 2012
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Thanks for your help guys.

Have now got the AA taking it to a local Subaru dealer and they should be able to fix it within 24 hours.

Ill report back with what went wrong!!

Cheers

Lefty

16,483 posts

208 months

Thursday 27th December 2012
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You might be lucky, p1 has a viscous coupling in the centre diff to send varying amounts of power to front and rear diffs. I think!

Lefty

16,483 posts

208 months

Thursday 27th December 2012
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P.s. there are usually a few p1's being split for parts on the owners club website over at p1woc.co.uk

zombies

145 posts

161 months

Thursday 27th December 2012
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Back wheels will spin when parked up. It winds the center diff up. I did it on my first about 15 years ago. Not sure if it had to be replaced.

zombies

145 posts

161 months

Thursday 27th December 2012
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Back wheels will spin when parked up. It winds the center diff up. I did it on my first about 15 years ago. Not sure if it had to be replaced.

Scooby P1

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2,617 posts

235 months

Thursday 27th December 2012
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Useless AA took 5 hours to come and transport my car to Subaru garage. Thank The Lord it was at home and not on the side of a motorway.

Praying they can fix it tomorrow and don't need any big parts.....

Not sure it will be that simple as the oil smell has been around for a couple of weeks so not convinced this is all down to the tyres fitted only a few days ago. We shall see....

deepy

6 posts

174 months

Thursday 27th December 2012
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Hi Scooby P1,

If you have been noticing the oil smell for a while then there's a fair chance one or both of the rocker covers are leaking a bit.

SCEL1SE

307 posts

196 months

Friday 28th December 2012
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I would have thought, short term use with wrong tire profile would not have caused a big issue, maybe wrong wheel size. I think maybe your problem has just escalated, maybe no fault of the tire choice.

Lefty

16,483 posts

208 months

Friday 28th December 2012
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deepy said:
Hi Scooby P1,

If you have been noticing the oil smell for a while then there's a fair chance one or both of the rocker covers are leaking a bit.
I think it's gear oil he can smell, it's pretty distinctive!

deepy

6 posts

174 months

Friday 28th December 2012
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Lefty said:
I think it's gear oil he can smell, it's pretty distinctive!
Maybe, just he said it was smelling for a while before having the tyres fitted. When the oil off a leaking rocker hits the manifold and burns it stinks. Since its a known common problem I just thought that would more likely be the culprit than the diff.

Scooby P1

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2,617 posts

235 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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SO, it turns out that the different sized tyres were of course the root of the problem.

NOT good news as the garage who sold them to me will not take them back, but the good news is that the car no longer has any problems and with a quick fluid change the diff has not suffered any long-term damage. Phew.

But it does mean i have a brand new (only managed 30 miles!) set of Goodyear Asymmetric 2's 215/45 17 (Y rating!) if anyone fancies buying them off me??

Lefty

16,483 posts

208 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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Set of 4?

Stedman

7,277 posts

198 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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Scooby P1 said:
SO, it turns out that the different sized tyres were of course the root of the problem.

NOT good news as the garage who sold them to me will not take them back, but the good news is that the car no longer has any problems and with a quick fluid change the diff has not suffered any long-term damage. Phew.

But it does mean i have a brand new (only managed 30 miles!) set of Goodyear Asymmetric 2's 215/45 17 (Y rating!) if anyone fancies buying them off me??
Volvo lads use that size. If i need them i'd snap them out of your hands. Worth putting on a volvo forum.

Scooby P1

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2,617 posts

235 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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Lefty - only a pair I'm afraid. If it was all 4 the diff problem might have been avoided!

Thanks Stedman for the tip. Ill speak to some Volvo owners....

Stedman

7,277 posts

198 months

Thursday 3rd January 2013
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Will post this thread on t5d5 mate