at what point does the Impreza Cosworth become good vale
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In all honesty if you got any V.8 STi and spent a few bob on the right mods it would be as quick if not quicker than the CS400. 450bhp nowadays is par for the course and you can make them handle really sweet and stop on a dime for not a lot of extra money.
400bhp is nothing special these days and easily doable with a 20G. If the CS400 had 500bhp, perhaps then it might be something special.
You are merely paying for the Cosworth name, a few mods and the fact that Subaru prices have gone through the roof for brand new motors since the Hatchback NewGen cars were introduced.
Save £30K and DIY with a newage.
400bhp is nothing special these days and easily doable with a 20G. If the CS400 had 500bhp, perhaps then it might be something special.
You are merely paying for the Cosworth name, a few mods and the fact that Subaru prices have gone through the roof for brand new motors since the Hatchback NewGen cars were introduced.
Save £30K and DIY with a newage.
rb5er said:
Of course you can, just perhaps not for prolonged periods.
And as it has 4 doors and a big boot it is very practical also which is always useful.
And that's what spoils the fun. A nice spirited flowing hoon across the country, or power, brake, power, brake... I am only playing devils advocate And as it has 4 doors and a big boot it is very practical also which is always useful.
Yes, the boot and 4 doors is a bonus. Until of course you get fed up with your kids wiping s
t all over the interior so realise a shed is the way to go for family transport. I agree family should be kept out of your fun car (but thats probably just my ocd).
Having owned an impreza (albeit a fat bloated one ) you surely know that they handle incredibly well and are not just power... brake etc. Very playful if you want it to be and totally surefooted when you dont want fool around.
Having owned an impreza (albeit a fat bloated one
) you surely know that they handle incredibly well and are not just power... brake etc. Very playful if you want it to be and totally surefooted when you dont want fool around.rb5er said:
I agree family should be kept out of your fun car (but thats probably just my ocd).
Having owned an impreza (albeit a fat bloated one ) you surely know that they handle incredibly well and are not just power... brake etc. Very playful if you want it to be and totally surefooted when you dont want fool around.
I know, I know Having owned an impreza (albeit a fat bloated one
) you surely know that they handle incredibly well and are not just power... brake etc. Very playful if you want it to be and totally surefooted when you dont want fool around. they handle incredibly well, and if your up for it and totally on the ball then there are few things that can out gun one across country. They can just change direction so quickly... I am just enjoying a different driving experience now, and personally speaking I am having more fun 'road driving' in a lower powered but better balanced car.Having said all that, I ave been looking on eBay for a decent classic for track days
just trying to get a third car past the misses 
paulmoonraker said:
rb5er said:
I agree family should be kept out of your fun car (but thats probably just my ocd).
Having owned an impreza (albeit a fat bloated one ) you surely know that they handle incredibly well and are not just power... brake etc. Very playful if you want it to be and totally surefooted when you dont want fool around.
I know, I know Having owned an impreza (albeit a fat bloated one
) you surely know that they handle incredibly well and are not just power... brake etc. Very playful if you want it to be and totally surefooted when you dont want fool around. they handle incredibly well, and if your up for it and totally on the ball then there are few things that can out gun one across country. They can just change direction so quickly... I am just enjoying a different driving experience now, and personally speaking I am having more fun 'road driving' in a lower powered but better balanced car.Having said all that, I ave been looking on eBay for a decent classic for track days
just trying to get a third car past the misses Pop a harness bar in and 3 or 4 point harness, couple of decent bucket seats, and you can rag the nuts off it all day.
Will be a hoot.
Or you can buy yourself a high mileage, much abused and hardly serviced V.1 or V.2 classic for £1500 and blow the engine on your first trackday
Like a cared for classic is more likely to be abused than a cared for bugeye?
A thing called weight and therefore physics stops a newage ever being as nimble as a classic.
And if its just used as a track car a roll cage is a very worthwhile investment.
These seem like 3 bits of advice you have given that it is obvious you are wrong about imo.
A thing called weight and therefore physics stops a newage ever being as nimble as a classic.
And if its just used as a track car a roll cage is a very worthwhile investment.
These seem like 3 bits of advice you have given that it is obvious you are wrong about imo.
rb5er said:
Like a cared for classic is more likely to be abused than a cared for bugeye?
A thing called weight and therefore physics stops a newage ever being as nimble as a classic.
And if its just used as a track car a roll cage is a very worthwhile investment.
These seem like 3 bits of advice you have given that it is obvious you are wrong about imo.
Just a couple of things.....A thing called weight and therefore physics stops a newage ever being as nimble as a classic.
And if its just used as a track car a roll cage is a very worthwhile investment.
These seem like 3 bits of advice you have given that it is obvious you are wrong about imo.
A cared for classic is as equally likely to be as abused or not as abused as a cared for Bugeye, however, cheaper older classics are very cheap and very likely to have been used and abused during their life, and the fact you can pick them up for relatively bugger all makes the difference.
Classics are about 100Kg lighter than say a Bugeye WRX, however, the bugeye body/chassis is 120% stiffer than a classic so things like suspension are working more efficiently. Fairly evenly matched out of the box i would say.
If all you are doing is a few trackdays a year fitting a rollcage seems an unnecessary expense. If you are doing trackdays every weekend then that's a different story and likely you would fit a cage.
However, if you do you're not just going to spend a fair chunk of money but you're going to add a fair bit of weight to your classic for just a few trackdays a year.
I'm not rubbishing classics, was just a bit of toungue in cheek so you've got the wrong end of the stick. Spend decent money on a classic and you'll get a decent car. Same with newage.
I haven't given any wrong advice, i'm just giving my opinion which is neither right nor wrong, it's just an opinion. If you disagree, you disagree.
Edited by ScoobieWRX on Wednesday 13th June 08:06
ScoobieWRX said:
1: A cared for classic is as equally likely to be as abused or not as abused as a cared for Bugeye, however, cheaper older classics are very cheap and very likely to have been used and abused during their life, and the fact you can pick them up for relatively bugger all makes the difference.
2: Classics are about 100Kg lighter than say a Bugeye WRX, however, the bugeye body/chassis is 120% stiffer than a classic so things like suspension are working more efficiently. Fairly evenly matched out of the box i would say.
3: If all you are doing is a few trackdays a year fitting a rollcage seems an unnecessary expense. If you are doing trackdays every weekend then that's a different story and likely you would fit a cage.
However, if you do you're not just going to spend a fair chunk of money but you're going to add a fair bit of weight to your classic for just a few trackdays a year.
1: Exactly, a cared for car is a cared for car, classic or newage. If he spends a grand on either it will likely be trouble, if he spends 5 grand on either it will likely be very good.2: Classics are about 100Kg lighter than say a Bugeye WRX, however, the bugeye body/chassis is 120% stiffer than a classic so things like suspension are working more efficiently. Fairly evenly matched out of the box i would say.
3: If all you are doing is a few trackdays a year fitting a rollcage seems an unnecessary expense. If you are doing trackdays every weekend then that's a different story and likely you would fit a cage.
However, if you do you're not just going to spend a fair chunk of money but you're going to add a fair bit of weight to your classic for just a few trackdays a year.
What you said is much like me saying get a 5k classic rather than a 1k bugeye which will explode. Bit of an odd statement.
2: 150kgs difference from where I am looking. A bigger heavier car needs to be more rigid or it would be a mess. A small lightweight car is less likely to wobble about. A Bentley will be far more rigid than both but wont handle with agility.
3: If it is a dedicated track car anyone with track experience will tell you its wise to have a cage. Extra weight yes but it might save your life ( and think of all that extra rigidity
) Your opinion is your opinion but I think these are facts.
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