Sin bin in football

[grumpy52]

As yellow cards seem to have become run of the mill and just part of the game , how about changing them for a ten ‐fifteen minutes spell in the sin bin .
When some sides receive 5+ yellow cards in a match the present system clearly isn't enough of a deterrent.

[Frimley111R]

I think it'll come eventually but not any time soon. Yellow cards have been pretty pointless for years but football is run by dinosaurs who hate change.

[romft123]

having more than 1 sub changed football so much. "Star player" gets yellow card and the red mist descends....they take him off and another really good 1st player, is subbed on....

[wazztie16]

Sin bins are currently in place up to step 5 of the system.

I'm personally a big fan of them, I feel they can aid my match control massively if used correctly (point in case Tuesday night last week I had a step 6 game with 2 teams notorious for being difficult, stepped approach to warn a player on minute 7, clear and obvious act of dissent on minute 8 so off he toddled to the bin. No other sin bins after that, and observer stated the player in question looked to come to me a couple of times afterwards during the game but thought better of it, and caused me no further issue).

I think they would work in the professional game but the whole football mentality needs to change generally, and that starts at the top levels. But that's not good for entertainment on the TV, right?

[SWoll]

I have no issue with it in orincipal, in practice I don't think the standard of officiating is good or consistent enough for it to work.

Rugby a much more physical, slower and naturally more stop/start game than football where the culture is for players to show much more respect to the officials.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Frimley111R said:

football is run by dinosaurs who hate change.

I wish that were true. There was nothing much wrong with football pre VAR. It's crap now. We needed more luddites and dinosaurs in the game when VAR was being discussed.

[Antony Moxey]

Frimley111R said:

I think it'll come eventually but not any time soon. Yellow cards have been pretty pointless for years but football is run by dinosaurs who hate change.

You’re joking right? Every year there’s a different set of rules to abide by.

[grumpy52]

The standard of the officials is as good as the ruling body allow it to be .
The standard of player behaviour and the amount of basic fouling in the top flight soon filters down through the system . And yes the cow towing to the TV companies audience is obvious and is the same in every sport chasing TV money .
I qualified as a ref at 16 but soon abandoned it because of too much control over enforcement of the laws of the game . Shortly afterwards my father who was a top flight ref gave it up because of the same problems and the abuse from players ,managers and senior club officers
The game won't change until control is taken back by the scruff of the neck and the underlying corruption is properly dealt with ,swiftly and ruthlessly but with the huge amounts of money at risk I won't hold my breath while it happens .
Saying all that why are so many clubs teetering on bankruptcy?

[Wacky Racer]

Sin bins are a great idea.

Take a player out of the game for twenty minutes, puts their team a big disadvantage during the ban.

Maybe makes them think twice before they foul someone intentionally.

Can't really see a snag tbh.

[SWoll]

Wacky Racer said:

Sin bins are a great idea.

Take a player out of the game for twenty minutes, puts their team a big disadvantage during the ban.

Maybe makes them think twice before they foul someone intentionally.

Can't really see a snag tbh.

20 minutes?

[Frimley111R]

Antony Moxey said:

Frimley111R said:

I think it'll come eventually but not any time soon. Yellow cards have been pretty pointless for years but football is run by dinosaurs who hate change.

You’re joking right? Every year there’s a different set of rules to abide by.

Minor stuff though. VAR has been the only significant change in it since they stopped allowing defenders to pass back to the keeper. Sin bins, mic'ing up refs, etc. are still nowhere and yet we could put in in place tomorrow.

[Antony Moxey]

Frimley111R said:

Antony Moxey said:

Frimley111R said:

I think it'll come eventually but not any time soon. Yellow cards have been pretty pointless for years but football is run by dinosaurs who hate change.

You’re joking right? Every year there’s a different set of rules to abide by.

Minor stuff though. VAR has been the only significant change in it since they stopped allowing defenders to pass back to the keeper. Sin bins, mic'ing up refs, etc. are still nowhere and yet we could put in in place tomorrow.

The offside rule’s changed more times than you’ve changed your socks with being in line, which bit of you’s in line, is it a foot, is it your torso, is it your arm, is it a part of your body you can score from, was during the first phase or second of the attack, was he interfering with play, did he obstruct the keeper’s line of sight?

Or how about what constitutes handball these days, or whether a foul is with intent to injure, reckless or accidental, unnatural or natural arm positions, replays, extra time and penalties, no replays, no extra time, straight to penalties, one sub, two subs, two subs and a keeper sub, three subs, three sub periods for a total of five subs, golden goal in extra time, no golden goal, squad sizes, transfers, transfers up to a certain date, transfer windows, foreign player limits, no limits, keeper can run round his area with the ball, keeper has to play the ball from where he catches it.

All minor stuff though.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Antony Moxey said:

The offside rule’s changed more times than you’ve changed your socks with being in line, which bit of you’s in line, is it a foot, is it your torso, is it your arm, is it a part of your body you can score from, was during the first phase or second of the attack, was he interfering with play, did he obstruct the keeper’s line of sight?

Or how about what constitutes handball these days, or whether a foul is with intent to injure, reckless or accidental, unnatural or natural arm positions, replays, extra time and penalties, no replays, no extra time, straight to penalties, one sub, two subs, two subs and a keeper sub, three subs, three sub periods for a total of five subs, golden goal in extra time, no golden goal, squad sizes, transfers, transfers up to a certain date, transfer windows, foreign player limits, no limits, keeper can run round his area with the ball, keeper has to play the ball from where he catches it.

All minor stuff though.

The offside and handball laws rarely change. What changes is instructions to the referees season on season on how to interpret the laws.

[Wacky Racer]

SWoll said:

Wacky Racer said:

Sin bins are a great idea.

Take a player out of the game for twenty minutes, puts their team a big disadvantage during the ban.

Maybe makes them think twice before they foul someone intentionally.

Can't really see a snag tbh.

20 minutes?

30 minutes, 40 minutes?

How long do you suggest?

[Antony Moxey]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Antony Moxey said:

The offside rule’s changed more times than you’ve changed your socks with being in line, which bit of you’s in line, is it a foot, is it your torso, is it your arm, is it a part of your body you can score from, was during the first phase or second of the attack, was he interfering with play, did he obstruct the keeper’s line of sight?

Or how about what constitutes handball these days, or whether a foul is with intent to injure, reckless or accidental, unnatural or natural arm positions, replays, extra time and penalties, no replays, no extra time, straight to penalties, one sub, two subs, two subs and a keeper sub, three subs, three sub periods for a total of five subs, golden goal in extra time, no golden goal, squad sizes, transfers, transfers up to a certain date, transfer windows, foreign player limits, no limits, keeper can run round his area with the ball, keeper has to play the ball from where he catches it.

All minor stuff though.

The offside and handball laws rarely change. What changes is instructions to the referees season on season on how to interpret the laws.

So changes then. Year on year changes. And I wrote about more than just handball and offside. More changes. For a sport supposedly run by dinosaurs that don’t like change there do seem to be quite a regular number of them. All minor though, so they don’t really count.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Antony Moxey said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Antony Moxey said:

The offside rule’s changed more times than you’ve changed your socks with being in line, which bit of you’s in line, is it a foot, is it your torso, is it your arm, is it a part of your body you can score from, was during the first phase or second of the attack, was he interfering with play, did he obstruct the keeper’s line of sight?

Or how about what constitutes handball these days, or whether a foul is with intent to injure, reckless or accidental, unnatural or natural arm positions, replays, extra time and penalties, no replays, no extra time, straight to penalties, one sub, two subs, two subs and a keeper sub, three subs, three sub periods for a total of five subs, golden goal in extra time, no golden goal, squad sizes, transfers, transfers up to a certain date, transfer windows, foreign player limits, no limits, keeper can run round his area with the ball, keeper has to play the ball from where he catches it.

All minor stuff though.

The offside and handball laws rarely change. What changes is instructions to the referees season on season on how to interpret the laws.

So changes then. Year on year changes.

You said "The offside rule’s changed more times than you’ve changed your socks". No it hasn't. The law has remained the same apart from one change I can think of, level now being on when it used to be off. It's how refs are told to apply it that's changed.

[Antony Moxey]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Antony Moxey said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Antony Moxey said:

The offside rule’s changed more times than you’ve changed your socks with being in line, which bit of you’s in line, is it a foot, is it your torso, is it your arm, is it a part of your body you can score from, was during the first phase or second of the attack, was he interfering with play, did he obstruct the keeper’s line of sight?

Or how about what constitutes handball these days, or whether a foul is with intent to injure, reckless or accidental, unnatural or natural arm positions, replays, extra time and penalties, no replays, no extra time, straight to penalties, one sub, two subs, two subs and a keeper sub, three subs, three sub periods for a total of five subs, golden goal in extra time, no golden goal, squad sizes, transfers, transfers up to a certain date, transfer windows, foreign player limits, no limits, keeper can run round his area with the ball, keeper has to play the ball from where he catches it.

All minor stuff though.

The offside and handball laws rarely change. What changes is instructions to the referees season on season on how to interpret the laws.

So changes then. Year on year changes.

You said "The offside rule’s changed more times than you’ve changed your socks". No it hasn't. The law has remained the same apart from one change I can think of, level now being on when it used to be off. It's how refs are told to apply it that's changed.

If you say so. This bit's active, that bit you can score with, he's interfering with play, it was the first phase of the attack not the second, he's blocking the keeper's line of sight. No changes then. Not one, unless you've decided it's a change, obviously.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Antony Moxey said:

If you say so. This bit's active, that bit you can score with, he's interfering with play, it was the first phase of the attack not the second, he's blocking the keeper's line of sight. No changes then. Not one, unless you've decided it's a change, obviously.

You seem to have trouble in distinguishing between law changes, and changes of application of the existing law.

[Antony Moxey]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Antony Moxey said:

If you say so. This bit's active, that bit you can score with, he's interfering with play, it was the first phase of the attack not the second, he's blocking the keeper's line of sight. No changes then. Not one, unless you've decided it's a change, obviously.

You seem to have trouble in distinguishing between law changes, and changes of application of the existing law.

Well, they're so minor they're hardly worth talking about.

[Wacky Racer]

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