Turkish football league suspended
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67688071
What on earth...ref still in hospital with bleed around the eye and a fracture. Top level game and the guy walks on and hits the ref, not only that people apparently weighed in with kicks whilst he is on the ground.
Are we surprised though? Referees are constantly in the news be it VAR or on pitch and constantly being thrown to the dogs by pundits - all the while players blatantly cheat and simulate every game and it doesn't get a single mention post match.
Has this sort of thing been on the cards?
What on earth...ref still in hospital with bleed around the eye and a fracture. Top level game and the guy walks on and hits the ref, not only that people apparently weighed in with kicks whilst he is on the ground.
Are we surprised though? Referees are constantly in the news be it VAR or on pitch and constantly being thrown to the dogs by pundits - all the while players blatantly cheat and simulate every game and it doesn't get a single mention post match.
Has this sort of thing been on the cards?
Not a single excuse for that behaviour. There's no excuse in any circumstance, let alone "sport".
Leagues need to get much much tougher. Teams need expelling from leagues in the most extreme situations (I'd have this up there) to send very strong messages out.
I don't agree with the "but it's the fans who suffer" angle. Support a t
ttish team that breaks rules, there should be serious consequences.
Leagues need to get much much tougher. Teams need expelling from leagues in the most extreme situations (I'd have this up there) to send very strong messages out.
I don't agree with the "but it's the fans who suffer" angle. Support a t
ttish team that breaks rules, there should be serious consequences. Found a video online and yes shows others kicking him on the ground. One guy kicks him then stands back and tells people to back off as if he is trying to protect the referee, absolutely disgusting behaviour and all those involved should be arrested and charged appropriately as individuals as well as the club receiving serious sanctions.
coldel said:
Found a video online and yes shows others kicking him on the ground. One guy kicks him then stands back and tells people to back off as if he is trying to protect the referee, absolutely disgusting behaviour and all those involved should be arrested and charged appropriately as individuals as well as the club receiving serious sanctions.
Agreed + players banned for life.TX.
Time and time again the issue with respect towards refs comes up, although thankfully this is a more extreme example.
There's absolutely no reason they couldn't introduce a similar system to rugby (eg. no surrounding/crowding the ref, only the captains can talk to the ref, sin bins, etc). But nothing gets done. The only reason I can think of is that football thinks it's too important, and the powers that be relish the publicity.
Fault lies at every level and aspect of the game. The players, coaches, fans, pundits, football authorities, press...
There's absolutely no reason they couldn't introduce a similar system to rugby (eg. no surrounding/crowding the ref, only the captains can talk to the ref, sin bins, etc). But nothing gets done. The only reason I can think of is that football thinks it's too important, and the powers that be relish the publicity.
Fault lies at every level and aspect of the game. The players, coaches, fans, pundits, football authorities, press...
Its simple to solve which makes me wonder why it hasn't been done.
Only the captain should be allowed to talk to the referee - straight yellow card for any breaches
Arguing with the referee - yellow card, only rescinded in extreme cases
Swear at the referee - straight red card
Crowd around the referee - yellow card for every player
Physical assault - minimum of a one year ban
Yellow cards should take the player off the pitch for ten minutes so there is an immediate penalty
It would stop almost all abuse ten minutes into the first match.
Only the captain should be allowed to talk to the referee - straight yellow card for any breaches
Arguing with the referee - yellow card, only rescinded in extreme cases
Swear at the referee - straight red card
Crowd around the referee - yellow card for every player
Physical assault - minimum of a one year ban
Yellow cards should take the player off the pitch for ten minutes so there is an immediate penalty
It would stop almost all abuse ten minutes into the first match.
I really struggle to think of any sport where there is so much abuse and lack of respect for officials. In other sports if you show dissent there are immediate penalties be it points deductions or sin bins - but football seems to think these are too intrusive and its better to have players verbally abusing officials, running up and into their faces at almost every decision, cheating every game by diving and faking injuries making decision making an utter nightmare.
I mentioned this on the VAR thread that if players coaches and the press toed the line of decency then you would probably see a big improvement in officiating.
I mentioned this on the VAR thread that if players coaches and the press toed the line of decency then you would probably see a big improvement in officiating.
Terminator X said:
coldel said:
Found a video online and yes shows others kicking him on the ground. One guy kicks him then stands back and tells people to back off as if he is trying to protect the referee, absolutely disgusting behaviour and all those involved should be arrested and charged appropriately as individuals as well as the club receiving serious sanctions.
Agreed + players banned for life.TX.
Blackpuddin said:
The puncher and the kicker both need to be banged up in a Turkish prison for a very long time.
According to reports the puncher / club president after being arrested was in hospital last night suffering with head and facial injuries. Don’t f**k with the Turkish police I guess is the message Mr Penguin said:
Its simple to solve which makes me wonder why it hasn't been done.
Only the captain should be allowed to talk to the referee - straight yellow card for any breaches
Arguing with the referee - yellow card, only rescinded in extreme cases
Swear at the referee - straight red card
Crowd around the referee - yellow card for every player
Physical assault - minimum of a one year ban
Yellow cards should take the player off the pitch for ten minutes so there is an immediate penalty
It would stop almost all abuse ten minutes into the first match.
Great ideas but worth pointing out none of them is relevant to what happened last night. Last nights incident happened after the final whistle and the assailant was the club president who came down from the stand he wasn't a player on the pitch.Only the captain should be allowed to talk to the referee - straight yellow card for any breaches
Arguing with the referee - yellow card, only rescinded in extreme cases
Swear at the referee - straight red card
Crowd around the referee - yellow card for every player
Physical assault - minimum of a one year ban
Yellow cards should take the player off the pitch for ten minutes so there is an immediate penalty
It would stop almost all abuse ten minutes into the first match.
Zetec-S said:
Time and time again the issue with respect towards refs comes up, although thankfully this is a more extreme example.
There's absolutely no reason they couldn't introduce a similar system to rugby (eg. no surrounding/crowding the ref, only the captains can talk to the ref, sin bins, etc). But nothing gets done. The only reason I can think of is that football thinks it's too important, and the powers that be relish the publicity.
There's one reasons why nothing gets done.There's absolutely no reason they couldn't introduce a similar system to rugby (eg. no surrounding/crowding the ref, only the captains can talk to the ref, sin bins, etc). But nothing gets done. The only reason I can think of is that football thinks it's too important, and the powers that be relish the publicity.
MONEY.
The game is just too corrupt in reality.....starting with FIFA and UEFA and pretty much every level downwards.
48k said:
Great ideas but worth pointing out none of them is relevant to what happened last night. Last nights incident happened after the final whistle and the assailant was the club president who came down from the stand he wasn't a player on the pitch.
There is a culture of it being acceptable to abuse officials in football, which leads to extreme incidents like this.But its easy to extend the ideas of extreme penalties to club officials - either issue points deductions, automatic relegation, or closing the stadium for several matches.
I think with the president its a case of hitting him in the wallet. The wealth of owners is usually public knowledge, hit him with a 6 figure fine, close the stadium for a month and ban him for life from entering the field of play (if he does then its an automatic x points deduction)
They also need to find the other pieces of st that went wading in kicking the ref in the head on the floor. That should be a custodial sentence.
But we need to use this to stop the players utterly pathetic childish behaviour on the pitch, that really is the right place to start.
They also need to find the other pieces of s
t that went wading in kicking the ref in the head on the floor. That should be a custodial sentence. But we need to use this to stop the players utterly pathetic childish behaviour on the pitch, that really is the right place to start.
DaveyBoyWonder said:
"Sports means peace and brotherhood. Sport is incompatible with violence. We will never allow violence to take place in Turkish sports."
Being a Leeds fan I find this ironic.
I'm sure these words are of great comfort to the families of Chris and Kevin.Being a Leeds fan I find this ironic.
Anyone who has watched European football take place in Turkey should find it a shame that they are allowed to remain involved. English teams were banned for years because of fan behaviour, but yet others have never received the punishment that fits the crime!
From the BBC website
"Koca, 59, was twice elected to Turkey's parliament as part of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's ruling AK Party.
He is quoted by news agencies in Turkey as saying he does not accept responsibility, adding: "This incident developed due to the wrong decisions and provocative behaviour of the referee. My aim was to react verbally to the referee and spit in his face."
So he was only there to spit on him and verbally abuse him, well thats alright then.
What a complete nutcase.
"Koca, 59, was twice elected to Turkey's parliament as part of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's ruling AK Party.
He is quoted by news agencies in Turkey as saying he does not accept responsibility, adding: "This incident developed due to the wrong decisions and provocative behaviour of the referee. My aim was to react verbally to the referee and spit in his face."
So he was only there to spit on him and verbally abuse him, well thats alright then.
What a complete nutcase.
This article from the BBC points out that it is not high profile cases like this that are most worrying, but the pernicious abuse of referees that constantly occurs in lower levels of the sport.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67696001
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67696001
No surprise to read that. And its bred from the top down, if the professional game has no control over players overstepping the mark week in week out and nothing being done what hope is there for the grassroots. Bodycams are a nice idea but thats a sticky plaster over a big social problem in the sport.
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