help settle an argument ! - England
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lets say Gareth Southgate wants Grealish to play for England,
would he ring him up and ask him if he wants to play/can play or would he be called up for duty in a conscription style "you have been selected to play for england" style phone call/letter/email ?
does anyone have any sources for how it's done or worded?
would he ring him up and ask him if he wants to play/can play or would he be called up for duty in a conscription style "you have been selected to play for england" style phone call/letter/email ?
does anyone have any sources for how it's done or worded?
When I've heard players on telly saying how thrilled they are to be called up to the squad, they often say they were advised by their club manager. So I assume Gareth calls the club manager and asks if he can call up his player to the squad for an upcoming game. The club manager then agrees and tells the player. Then I guess the player gets a call from some suit at the FA with instructions.
I was under the impression clubs give permission for players to be released for international duty which means teams can make calls and players can avoid playing internationals , usually the non essential friendly games when players ...Ryan Giggs & Gareth Bale 
are suddenly injured for the day.
are suddenly injured for the day. TwigtheWonderkid said:
When I've heard players on telly saying how thrilled they are to be called up to the squad, they often say they were advised by their club manager. So I assume Gareth calls the club manager and asks if he can call up his player to the squad for an upcoming game. The club manager then agrees and tells the player. Then I guess the player gets a call from some suit at the FA with instructions.
okay so they aren't asked to do it? they are told they have to do it?WCZ said:
okay so they aren't asked to do it? they are told they have to do it?
I'm sure it's an invitation that can be declined. E.g. EnglandManager : You've been picked for the England B International
ChrisSutton : Thanks but no thanks
EnglandManager : You'll never play for England again
I'm sure this is wrong but I always thought you were always available for selection whether you liked it or not. Of course you'll have legitimate reasons for withdrawal from the squad for injuries and the suchlike, and the manager can choose not to select you, but you don't ever actually retire until you retire from playing altogether.
You are under absolutely no obligation to play at international level, indeed several players have chosen to retire early, mainly in order to extend their club careers e.g. Paul Scholes and Jamie Vardy. Players have to balance the kudos and increased profile that an international career can provide, not mention the chance of being higher paid and being sought after by bigger clubs against the increased risk of injury and increased workload. Dennis Bergkamp was famously reluctant to play in overseas games including internationals for the Netherlands due to a fear of flying. As I understand Sadio Mane, the Liverpool winger is literally burnt out at the moment due to overcommitting to international duty having represented Senegal at last years Cup of Nations in addition to his club commitments.
warch said:
You are under absolutely no obligation to play at international level, indeed several players have chosen to retire early, mainly in order to extend their club careers e.g. Paul Scholes and Jamie Vardy. Players have to balance the kudos and increased profile that an international career can provide, not mention the chance of being higher paid and being sought after by bigger clubs against the increased risk of injury and increased workload. Dennis Bergkamp was famously reluctant to play in overseas games including internationals for the Netherlands due to a fear of flying. As I understand Sadio Mane, the Liverpool winger is literally burnt out at the moment due to overcommitting to international duty having represented Senegal at last years Cup of Nations in addition to his club commitments.
I think you are, which is why International managers can insist on players not playing for their club sides when they've said they're unavailable for international duty. Of course a manager's not going to pick a player who no longer wishes to play international football for obvious reasons, but as I say, I'm sure you can't retire from international football.aka_kerrly said:
players can avoid playing internationals , usually the non essential friendly games when players ...Ryan Giggs & Gareth Bale are suddenly injured for the day.
To Bale's credit, he's never dodged a Wales call up, it's been a cause of friction at Real Madrid in the past. Recently he was injured playing for Wales, was out for a couple of months and his first game was for Wales again. He caught some flack for that. Giggs was the opposite and as a result isn't held in high regard by the Wales fans. are suddenly injured for the day. Antony Moxey said:
warch said:
You are under absolutely no obligation to play at international level, indeed several players have chosen to retire early, mainly in order to extend their club careers e.g. Paul Scholes and Jamie Vardy. Players have to balance the kudos and increased profile that an international career can provide, not mention the chance of being higher paid and being sought after by bigger clubs against the increased risk of injury and increased workload. Dennis Bergkamp was famously reluctant to play in overseas games including internationals for the Netherlands due to a fear of flying. As I understand Sadio Mane, the Liverpool winger is literally burnt out at the moment due to overcommitting to international duty having represented Senegal at last years Cup of Nations in addition to his club commitments.
I think you are, which is why International managers can insist on players not playing for their club sides when they've said they're unavailable for international duty. Of course a manager's not going to pick a player who no longer wishes to play international football for obvious reasons, but as I say, I'm sure you can't retire from international football.Other countries have different rules and their players have different obligations. For example South Korea offer exemption from National Service to any athelete winning an Olympic medal or a gold medal at the Asian Games, which meant Tottenham didn't lose Son Heung-Min for 21 months as he helped South Korea win the tournament.
48k said:
Antony Moxey said:
warch said:
You are under absolutely no obligation to play at international level, indeed several players have chosen to retire early, mainly in order to extend their club careers e.g. Paul Scholes and Jamie Vardy. Players have to balance the kudos and increased profile that an international career can provide, not mention the chance of being higher paid and being sought after by bigger clubs against the increased risk of injury and increased workload. Dennis Bergkamp was famously reluctant to play in overseas games including internationals for the Netherlands due to a fear of flying. As I understand Sadio Mane, the Liverpool winger is literally burnt out at the moment due to overcommitting to international duty having represented Senegal at last years Cup of Nations in addition to his club commitments.
I think you are, which is why International managers can insist on players not playing for their club sides when they've said they're unavailable for international duty. Of course a manager's not going to pick a player who no longer wishes to play international football for obvious reasons, but as I say, I'm sure you can't retire from international football.Other countries have different rules and their players have different obligations. For example South Korea offer exemption from National Service to any athelete winning an Olympic medal or a gold medal at the Asian Games, which meant Tottenham didn't lose Son Heung-Min for 21 months as he helped South Korea win the tournament.
Antony Moxey said:
How come an international manager can insist a player doesn’t play for his club side if he withdraws from selection for the time he would be on international duty? I would imagine in Vardy’s case there’s no point in insisting he plays as he could simply turn in a below average performance.
The England manager can't make a player play for the national side, it isn't like cricket for example where players are centrally contracted. As an aside to this, witness how little influence managers and clubs have over players who are contracted to them. Wantaway players are constantly refusing to play or turn up for training.
Vardy I understand has retired from the England side to concentrate on his club career. He may have done this because he wasn't getting enough starts or time on the pitch when Kane was fit, it being a considerable chunk out of his off season when to travel with the squad to the World Cup for example.
The confusion may arise when players who do want to play for the national side have a clash between club and international duties, which the club, who after all pays their wages invariably wins. This usually happens when the player's club has a key must win game late in the season. In order not to risk jeopardising the player's international career they'll usually claim a minor niggle that will allow them to withdraw the player from a mid-week friendly say, but which miraculously resolves itself by the weekend, just in time for the club fixture.
Antony Moxey said:
48k said:
Antony Moxey said:
warch said:
You are under absolutely no obligation to play at international level, indeed several players have chosen to retire early, mainly in order to extend their club careers e.g. Paul Scholes and Jamie Vardy. Players have to balance the kudos and increased profile that an international career can provide, not mention the chance of being higher paid and being sought after by bigger clubs against the increased risk of injury and increased workload. Dennis Bergkamp was famously reluctant to play in overseas games including internationals for the Netherlands due to a fear of flying. As I understand Sadio Mane, the Liverpool winger is literally burnt out at the moment due to overcommitting to international duty having represented Senegal at last years Cup of Nations in addition to his club commitments.
I think you are, which is why International managers can insist on players not playing for their club sides when they've said they're unavailable for international duty. Of course a manager's not going to pick a player who no longer wishes to play international football for obvious reasons, but as I say, I'm sure you can't retire from international football.Other countries have different rules and their players have different obligations. For example South Korea offer exemption from National Service to any athelete winning an Olympic medal or a gold medal at the Asian Games, which meant Tottenham didn't lose Son Heung-Min for 21 months as he helped South Korea win the tournament.
The Premier League is structured such that there are several 10-15 day "International Breaks" during the season, when no league matches take place during rounds of international matches so there isn't a point in time where a player could be playing in a Premier League match for his club side when England are playing an international game.
48k said:
Can you provide some examples of when this has happened?
The Premier League is structured such that there are several 10-15 day "International Breaks" during the season, when no league matches take place during rounds of international matches so there isn't a point in time where a player could be playing in a Premier League match for his club side when England are playing an international game.
Not specifically, but it has happened in the past. International breaks weren't always a thing.The Premier League is structured such that there are several 10-15 day "International Breaks" during the season, when no league matches take place during rounds of international matches so there isn't a point in time where a player could be playing in a Premier League match for his club side when England are playing an international game.
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