Questions from a football newbie
Discussion
Hi all, I'm a motor racing, cricket and ice hockey person mostly but have been watching the odd football game and had a couple of probably really stupid questions if you'll indulge me.
1. Why do both team's players appeal for a throw in when the ball goes out of play?
2. Why do players feign injury so much over minor things?
I understand the ploy to gain a free kick in an advantageous position, but why then also make yourself look like a weak pussy to the opposition, giving them a psychological advantage?
3. Why do the players argue the toss so much when a VAR decision doesn't go their way?
In Cricket for example you see the decision review system go through all the checks and if the outcome is 'you're out' the player accepts it and walks off. He doesn't then start screaming into the umpires face that it's all b
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1. Why do both team's players appeal for a throw in when the ball goes out of play?
2. Why do players feign injury so much over minor things?
I understand the ploy to gain a free kick in an advantageous position, but why then also make yourself look like a weak pussy to the opposition, giving them a psychological advantage?
3. Why do the players argue the toss so much when a VAR decision doesn't go their way?
In Cricket for example you see the decision review system go through all the checks and if the outcome is 'you're out' the player accepts it and walks off. He doesn't then start screaming into the umpires face that it's all b
ks! Speed Badger said:
1. Why do both team's players appeal for a throw in when the ball goes out of play?
2. Why do players feign injury so much over minor things?
I understand the ploy to gain a free kick in an advantageous position, but why then also make yourself look like a weak pussy to the opposition, giving them a psychological advantage?
3. Why do the players argue the toss so much when a VAR decision doesn't go their way?
1. Because an element of cheating has become acceptable over the years, so it's kind of taken for granted that you appeal for stuff you know you shouldn't be getting.2. Why do players feign injury so much over minor things?
I understand the ploy to gain a free kick in an advantageous position, but why then also make yourself look like a weak pussy to the opposition, giving them a psychological advantage?
3. Why do the players argue the toss so much when a VAR decision doesn't go their way?
2. See 1.
3. Because they aren't used to it yet, and they aren't always the brightest of people. Not many footballers chose football over a career as a project manager on the large hadron collider.
If I can answer this from the perspective of League 1 (so question 3 doesn't apply):
1) throw ins - because the match officials are useless, genuinely hopeless, so you might get a decision that you shouldn't
2) feigning injury - usually to try to get your opponent booked, also to waste time when you are winning.
If you want to see the arch exponents of both of these dark arts, watch Wycombe Wanderers. They, bizarrely, are top of League 1, mostly because they work incredibly hard and are well organised, but also because they are experts in well, cheating really.
1) throw ins - because the match officials are useless, genuinely hopeless, so you might get a decision that you shouldn't
2) feigning injury - usually to try to get your opponent booked, also to waste time when you are winning.
If you want to see the arch exponents of both of these dark arts, watch Wycombe Wanderers. They, bizarrely, are top of League 1, mostly because they work incredibly hard and are well organised, but also because they are experts in well, cheating really.
Sometimes it's 50/50 when it comes to a throw in and the linesman will be 1/3 of the pitch away so wouldn't have seen who it touched. Teams will take any advantage they can get and if getting a throw in is that then it is worth contesting.
Feigning injury will mean that the referee reacts. If you get back up the game carries on and that means sometimes the player who made the foul might not receive a card.
In this day and age it seems if you don't go down/ show the severity of the foul by staying up then their will be no disciplinary action.
Feigning injury will mean that the referee reacts. If you get back up the game carries on and that means sometimes the player who made the foul might not receive a card.
In this day and age it seems if you don't go down/ show the severity of the foul by staying up then their will be no disciplinary action.
CharlieH89 said:
Sometimes it's 50/50 when it comes to a throw in and the linesman will be 1/3 of the pitch away so wouldn't have seen who it touched. Teams will take any advantage they can get and if getting a throw in is that then it is worth contesting.
Feigning injury will mean that the referee reacts. If you get back up the game carries on and that means sometimes the player who made the foul might not receive a card.
In this day and age it seems if you don't go down/ show the severity of the foul by staying up then their will be no disciplinary action.
Also, if the player who has a kick/jersey pulled doesnt go down, he rarely gets a free kick, especially in the penalty area where a penalty might be won.Feigning injury will mean that the referee reacts. If you get back up the game carries on and that means sometimes the player who made the foul might not receive a card.
In this day and age it seems if you don't go down/ show the severity of the foul by staying up then their will be no disciplinary action.
Nowhere in the rules does it say that you can use your arms to block a player or place your arms around him. Yet this happens week in/week out. You may remember England being at the blunt end of it at last year's World Cup. So much so that other countries were protesting about our treatment and no defender's being punished. In the end, it was recognised for the foul it is and we got some penalties.
If the player doen't go down then the ref won't blow for a penalty, simple as that.
It's wrong.
Leeds Utd in the 70s were the masters of the ridiculous throw in appeal. One of their players would volley in out, and the other 10 would shout "our ball ref" and raise their right arm in perfect harmony. It look so convincing, half the time the lino assumed he must have not seen what he thought he saw and gave them the throw in.
Brave Fart said:
If I can answer this from the perspective of League 1 (so question 3 doesn't apply):
1) throw ins - because the match officials are useless, genuinely hopeless, so you might get a decision that you shouldn't
2) feigning injury - usually to try to get your opponent booked, also to waste time when you are winning.
If you want to see the arch exponents of both of these dark arts, watch Wycombe Wanderers. They, bizarrely, are top of League 1, mostly because they work incredibly hard and are well organised, but also because they are experts in well, cheating really.
Or any team managed by the Cowley brothers. 1) throw ins - because the match officials are useless, genuinely hopeless, so you might get a decision that you shouldn't
2) feigning injury - usually to try to get your opponent booked, also to waste time when you are winning.
If you want to see the arch exponents of both of these dark arts, watch Wycombe Wanderers. They, bizarrely, are top of League 1, mostly because they work incredibly hard and are well organised, but also because they are experts in well, cheating really.
Feigning injury might be for a number of reasons: actually alerting officials that a foul has taken place - how many times do we see pundits saying someone should go down in the box rather than trying to stay on their feet when fouled to win a penalty, giving team mates a quick breather and allowing time for drinks and/or tactics from the coaching staff, giving your team time to regroup, or maybe because you genuinely are soft as s
te and it really did hurt.Throw ins not so sure about, sometimes you genuinely don't know who it came off last, but mostly it's just trying all you can to gain an advantage.
Kneedragger95 said:
I have no idea to be honest.
I love football but the attitude of players and fans alike is just plain embarrassing sometimes.
This. If football moved even one step closer to how rugby is played and supported, it would appeal to so many more people around the world. I love football but the attitude of players and fans alike is just plain embarrassing sometimes.
p4cks said:
Kneedragger95 said:
I have no idea to be honest.
I love football but the attitude of players and fans alike is just plain embarrassing sometimes.
This. If football moved even one step closer to how rugby is played and supported, it would appeal to so many more people around the world. I love football but the attitude of players and fans alike is just plain embarrassing sometimes.
p4cks said:
Kneedragger95 said:
I have no idea to be honest.
I love football but the attitude of players and fans alike is just plain embarrassing sometimes.
This. If football moved even one step closer to how rugby is played and supported, it would appeal to so many more people around the world. I love football but the attitude of players and fans alike is just plain embarrassing sometimes.
Eta, Great minds think alike Anthony haha
Antony Moxey said:
p4cks said:
Kneedragger95 said:
I have no idea to be honest.
I love football but the attitude of players and fans alike is just plain embarrassing sometimes.
This. If football moved even one step closer to how rugby is played and supported, it would appeal to so many more people around the world. I love football but the attitude of players and fans alike is just plain embarrassing sometimes.
p4cks said:
Antony Moxey said:
p4cks said:
Kneedragger95 said:
I have no idea to be honest.
I love football but the attitude of players and fans alike is just plain embarrassing sometimes.
This. If football moved even one step closer to how rugby is played and supported, it would appeal to so many more people around the world. I love football but the attitude of players and fans alike is just plain embarrassing sometimes.
DocJock said:
The unedifying spectacle of modern professional football is a direct result of weak referees not applying the laws, particularly the law on dissent. Most of the embarrassing behaviour follows from that.
I agree, if refs sent a few off for arguing/swearing at them then the problem would soon disappear (apart from the really thick players).DocJock said:
The unedifying spectacle of modern professional football is a direct result of weak referees not applying the laws, particularly the law on dissent. Most of the embarrassing behaviour follows from that.
Couldn’t agree more. Footballers’ behaviour is entirely and utterly the result of weak officiating and nothing else. Of course the thick pundits will tell you if you clamp down on such behaviour you’ll get ten sendings off per match - yes you will, but for one week only once managers realise it’ll have a direct effect on the result of the game and thus their own job security. Going back to officials, a course on the meaning of the word gullible wouldn’t go amiss either.greygoose said:
I agree, if refs sent a few off for arguing/swearing at them then the problem would soon disappear (apart from the really thick players).
Yes there'd be hell on and the referee in question would be bumped off the Premier league rota.Agree with the previous poster Wycombe are the experts in s
thouseryThanks for the replies, I think I kinda get it. Although it's almost laughable sometimes - I was watching the Tottenham hotspur v Chelsea game and one of the players kicked out quite gently after being fouled and the guy went down clutching his chest as if he'd been blasted with a shotgun! He then looked over while on the floor and was miraculously cured.
I remember seeing an ice hockey match, can't remember who, maybe Carolina hurricanes, where a player took a puck in the mouth after a slap shot and it knocked almost the whole row of his front teeth out. He went off, got stitched up and returned to the ice for the 3rd period sporting a gap-toothed smile and a gumful of stitches.
I remember seeing an ice hockey match, can't remember who, maybe Carolina hurricanes, where a player took a puck in the mouth after a slap shot and it knocked almost the whole row of his front teeth out. He went off, got stitched up and returned to the ice for the 3rd period sporting a gap-toothed smile and a gumful of stitches.
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