The title race 18/19

[CharlieH89]

I don't post in the football threads anymore but I do read them from time to time and having glanced at the Man City thread I came across these quotes

Leicester Loyal said:

85Carrera said:

uk66fastback said:

The Scousers are no different.

They’re very different, which is why a lot of neutrals would prefer us to win the league

Too right, my most hated club

Which brings me to my question, as someone from Liverpool and who supports Liverpool, why do teams who have no rivalry with ourselves hate us?

I was happy for Leicester to win the title back in 15/16. A side that hadn't spent 100s of millions on their squad in a short period of time, not a rival to LFC so I am confused as to why a Leicester supporter hates Liverpool.

I'm 29 so in the years i've watched football Manchester United have been our rivals in terms of trophy count.
I've enjoyed Arsenals style of play.
Never really liked Chelsea due to Mourinho. They seem to have one song and their fans don't seem to make an effort in making any for the players. I must have heard Chelsea, Chelsea a million times.
Manchester City have never been rivals but have spent 600 million in the past 5 years, so buying the premier league which really confuses me as to why neutrals want them to succeed?

Why want one side winning the trophy every year? They are in the mix for 4 trophies this season and no one seems to mind that? That they have blown everyone out the water in regards to transfers despite not creating the money themselves.

Why would a Leicester fan want that to happen? It just means that a side like theres will never be able to win something so huge as the premier league ever again if the Man City funds keep appearing out of thin air.

Your thoughts please...

[ApOrbital]

[TwigtheWonderkid]

CharlieH89 said:

Which brings me to my question, as someone from Liverpool and who supports Liverpool, why do teams who have no rivalry with ourselves hate us?

Do you want all the reasons, or just the top 500.

[bigpriest]

It's the accent. Lots of people hate it. Plus Liverpool have spent lots of money for many years as well to 'buy the League'. But you'll claim that was all from gate receipts and souvenir curly wigs.

[CharlieH89]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

CharlieH89 said:

Which brings me to my question, as someone from Liverpool and who supports Liverpool, why do teams who have no rivalry with ourselves hate us?

Do you want all the reasons, or just the top 500.

Feel free to name some. Chelsea supporter? Understandable.

bigpriest said:

It's the accent. Lots of people hate it. Plus Liverpool have spent lots of money for many years as well to 'buy the League'. But you'll claim that was all from gate receipts and souvenir curly wigs.

Not everyone from Liverpool speaks like Harry Enfield
We are a sustainable club. Like Man Utd, Arsenal and Spurs, out of the top teams, our modern spendings have been from TV deals, player transfers and gate receipts.

[Black can man]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

CharlieH89 said:

Which brings me to my question, as someone from Liverpool and who supports Liverpool, why do teams who have no rivalry with ourselves hate us?

Do you want all the reasons, or just the top 500.

[GT03ROB]

CharlieH89 said:

Which brings me to my question, as someone from Liverpool and who supports Liverpool, why do teams who have no rivalry with ourselves hate us?

Your thoughts please...

Odious, entitled fanbase, basically. Everybody heard what a wonderful cheeky chirpy bunch of fans they had, when the reality was that they used to be a thoroughly nasty bunch. Violence & trouble always followed them. But they never got the bad publicity others did. In the stands, on the terraces, outside the grounds more trouble than with the usual suspects. When Hysel happened the reaction of many on the terraces was "there you go, told you so".

There I said it. Awaits ban.

[TaylotS2K]

GT03ROB said:

CharlieH89 said:

Which brings me to my question, as someone from Liverpool and who supports Liverpool, why do teams who have no rivalry with ourselves hate us?

Your thoughts please...

Odious, entitled fanbase, basically. Everybody heard what a wonderful cheeky chirpy bunch of fans they had, when the reality was that they used to be a thoroughly nasty bunch. Violence & trouble always followed them. But they never got the bad publicity others did. In the stands, on the terraces, outside the grounds more trouble than with the usual suspects. When Hysel happened the reaction of many on the terraces was "there you go, told you so".

There I said it. Awaits ban.

Yep. Don't ever criticise Liverpool or even try to have some banter about them.

[jcremonini]

GT03ROB said:

CharlieH89 said:

Which brings me to my question, as someone from Liverpool and who supports Liverpool, why do teams who have no rivalry with ourselves hate us?

Your thoughts please...

Odious, entitled fanbase, basically. Everybody heard what a wonderful cheeky chirpy bunch of fans they had, when the reality was that they used to be a thoroughly nasty bunch. Violence & trouble always followed them. But they never got the bad publicity others did. In the stands, on the terraces, outside the grounds more trouble than with the usual suspects. When Hysel happened the reaction of many on the terraces was "there you go, told you so".

There I said it. Awaits ban.

Yep - Remember the chairman at the time blaming it on NF groups from other clubs (completely unsubstantiated) . And the only club ever to get English teams banned from Europe.

Anyway - moving on. Let's talk about Droopy Dalglish and the Suarez T-Shirts....

[Zoon]

TaylotS2K said:

GT03ROB said:

CharlieH89 said:

Which brings me to my question, as someone from Liverpool and who supports Liverpool, why do teams who have no rivalry with ourselves hate us?

Your thoughts please...

Odious, entitled fanbase, basically. Everybody heard what a wonderful cheeky chirpy bunch of fans they had, when the reality was that they used to be a thoroughly nasty bunch. Violence & trouble always followed them. But they never got the bad publicity others did. In the stands, on the terraces, outside the grounds more trouble than with the usual suspects. When Hysel happened the reaction of many on the terraces was "there you go, told you so".

There I said it. Awaits ban.

Yep. Don't ever criticise Liverpool or even try to have some banter about them.

Tried once, got a load of abuse saying I had no respect for the 96 dead at Hillsborough.
Only mentioned Bale's overhead kick in the final

[Lindun]

You got to admire the irony of a city accused of having a victim mentality starting a post about being a victim* Most other teams hate Manchester United. There’s even a term that they’ve coined ABU.

In time most will hate Manchester City too. In fact they probably do now, but for many them winning the title ahead of Liverpool is the lesser of two evils.

* this comment has nothing to do with Hillsborough at all. It refers to the stereotype and perception around the country.

[TaylotS2K]

CharlieH89 said:

I don't post in the football threads anymore but I do read them from time to time and having glanced at the Man City thread I came across these quotes

Leicester Loyal said:

85Carrera said:

uk66fastback said:

The Scousers are no different.

They’re very different, which is why a lot of neutrals would prefer us to win the league

Too right, my most hated club

I'm 29

Your thoughts please...

You were born the year Liverpool last won the league.*

• Ban incoming for me.....

[CharlieH89]

GT03ROB said:

CharlieH89 said:

Which brings me to my question, as someone from Liverpool and who supports Liverpool, why do teams who have no rivalry with ourselves hate us?

Your thoughts please...

Odious, entitled fanbase, basically. Everybody heard what a wonderful cheeky chirpy bunch of fans they had, when the reality was that they used to be a thoroughly nasty bunch. Violence & trouble always followed them. But they never got the bad publicity others did. In the stands, on the terraces, outside the grounds more trouble than with the usual suspects. When Hysel happened the reaction of many on the terraces was "there you go, told you so".

There I said it. Awaits ban.

As I said in my OP, i'm 29 so I wasn't around in the 70s and 80s.
I've googled hooliganism in football and came across a wiki article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_hooliganism...

Other teams are involved in that article, before Liverpool.

Entitled? How so? It's been a running joke for years that it is 'our year next year' but I've never mentioned that once in my entire life and never heard none of my relations or friends say it. As I say it's a joke that other clubs fans say, which seems to make it stick out as Liverpool fans say it every single year.
Is it the Heysel tragedy that marks Liverpool as the main culprits in football violence when others are noted for the violence?

[jcremonini]

CharlieH89 said:

GT03ROB said:

CharlieH89 said:

Which brings me to my question, as someone from Liverpool and who supports Liverpool, why do teams who have no rivalry with ourselves hate us?

Your thoughts please...

Odious, entitled fanbase, basically. Everybody heard what a wonderful cheeky chirpy bunch of fans they had, when the reality was that they used to be a thoroughly nasty bunch. Violence & trouble always followed them. But they never got the bad publicity others did. In the stands, on the terraces, outside the grounds more trouble than with the usual suspects. When Hysel happened the reaction of many on the terraces was "there you go, told you so".

There I said it. Awaits ban.

As I said in my OP, i'm 29 so I wasn't around in the 70s and 80s.
I've googled hooliganism in football and came across a wiki article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_hooliganism...

Other teams are involved in that article, before Liverpool.

Entitled? How so? It's been a running joke for years that it is 'our year next year' but I've never mentioned that once in my entire life and never heard none of my relations or friends say it. As I say it's a joke that other clubs fans say, which seems to make it stick out as Liverpool fans say it every single year.
Is it the Heysel tragedy that marks Liverpool as the main culprits in football violence when others are noted for the violence?

And how many of the others resulted in mass casualties and English clubs being excluded from European competitions ? You know how many people died right ? Perhaps the best thing to do now your question has been answered in regards to one of the reasons is to just suck it up.

There are people who loathe different clubs for different reasons - there's little point trying to argue it.

[CharlieH89]

jcremonini said:

Yep - Remember the chairman at the time blaming it on NF groups from other clubs (completely unsubstantiated) . And the only club ever to get English teams banned from Europe.

'The only ever club to get English teams banned from Europe'

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/2f5nzu/wh...

Mr_Miscellaneous said:

Cynics might dismiss the actions as a way for UEFA to "re-adress the balance" of European football after years of dominance by English football. Between 1977-1984 English teams had won the European cup all but once.

However, the real issue was that English hooliganism was pretty rampant throughout European ties. Special mentions go to the riots started by Leeds in the European cup final of 1975 Manchester United fans against St. Etienne in 1977.

Heysel was a brutal act of violence perpetrated by Liverpool fans that killed 39 supporters, mostly of Juventus fans but apparently some neutral fans too. The sheer toll of deaths and previous incidents, possibly by Liverpool but most certainly by supporters of other English clubs, in addition with the endemic levels of hooliganism in the English league led to Thatcher calling for the FA to withdraw teams from European competition.

However, before the FA could even act upon this request, UEFA acted. For UEFA, Heysel was the final straw in a long list of offences pertpetrated by English teams in European competition and they handed an "indefinite" punishment to English clubs which banned all teams from European competition until UEFA was satisfied that English teams had sorted their act out.

Was it purely Liverpool who got English clubs banned from Europe? Even Margaret Thatcher came out and said hooliganism needs to be sorted out at home before English teams go to Europe again.

Heysel was a sad incident and as a Liverpool supporter it is horrible that fans of our club were involved in the deaths. English fans were awful according to everything I have read and it could have happened to any other football club.

It's a shame that 34 years later the actions of supporters of our club are a stain on the fans that support the team now, used so many years later in chants such as 'Murderers' when the chances of being related to someone who was a culprit in the tragedy is ridiculously slim, but that's football. It brings out the venomous tongue in people when it's only something that a person enjoys watching and the indifference of where someone lives/ were born/ fathers were that has other people disliking, almost hating that person without ever even holding a conversation outside of football with.

[Driver101]

Can you take Gerrard back to Liverpool please?

I respected him as a player, but since coming to Scotland he's really just an embarrassment. What a horrible spineless person that does nothing but contradict himself and blame everyone else. He's intolerable.

[jcremonini]

CharlieH89 said:

Was it purely Liverpool who got English clubs banned from Europe? Even Margaret Thatcher came out and said hooliganism needs to be sorted out at home before English teams go to Europe again.

Heysel was a sad incident and as a Liverpool supporter it is horrible that fans of our club were involved in the deaths. English fans were awful according to everything I have read and it could have happened to any other football club.

It's a shame that 34 years later the actions of supporters of our club are a stain on the fans that support the team now, used so many years later in chants such as 'Murderers' when the chances of being related to someone who was a culprit in the tragedy is ridiculously slim, but that's football. It brings out the venomous tongue in people when it's only something that a person enjoys watching and the indifference of where someone lives/ were born/ fathers were that has other people disliking, almost hating that person without ever even holding a conversation outside of football with.

No - Liverpool alone had us banned from Europe. Yes, there was a hooliganism problem with English clubs at that time but not to the point UEFA could ever justify banning all the teams. It wasn't the final straw - it was so much heavier than that.

[coldel]

The 'spenders' argument is a weak one, when you look at Allison, Fabinho, Van Dijk, Keita, Salah, Oxlande Chamberlain over the last couple of seasons totalling up to near £300m thats not bad going...go back another seasons and you have Mane and Wijnaldum at £70m for the pair. They are having a fair go themselves! I am sure it was Klopp who said his Liverpool were going to 'do it differently' when interviewed about other clubs spending

[CharlieH89]

Driver101 said:

Can you take Gerrard back to Liverpool please?

I respected him as a player, but since coming to Scotland he's really just an embarrassment. What a horrible spineless person that does nothing but contradict himself and blame everyone else. He's intolerable.

I haven't really kept tabs on how he is doing tbh. I don't watch scottish football

coldel said:

The 'spenders' argument is a weak one, when you look at Allison, Fabinho, Van Dijk, Keita, Salah, Oxlande Chamberlain over the last couple of seasons totalling up to near £300m thats not bad going...go back another seasons and you have Mane and Wijnaldum at £70m for the pair. They are having a fair go themselves! I am sure it was Klopp who said his Liverpool were going to 'do it differently' when interviewed about other clubs spending

At first Klopp did say he was going to try and do it differently, which was quite naïve. You can't really do it on the cheap in the premier league, however...

Mane £37m
Wijnaldum £24m

Sales same year
Benteke £28m
Ibe £17m
Joe Allen £13m
Skrtel £5m

Van Dijk £76m
Salah £37m
Chamberlain £34m

Sold Coutinho for £120 - £140m depending on add ons.

Alisson £56m
Keita £54m
Fabinho £40m

Sold Solanke for £19m and Danny Ward for £12m
Reached Champions league final and earned £70m from that

[Nexus Icon]

As a Southampton fan, I probably don't need to justify why Liverpool aren't on my Christmas card list...

Yes, 1983/4 Division 1.

Oh, and BR and JK using SFC as a rummage sale over recent years.