Football players shirt numbers

Football players shirt numbers

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geek84

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587 posts

93 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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Hi Folks

There was a time when football team shirt numbers meant something (1 to 11), with 1 being the goal keeper and 10 & 11 being forward players.

However, it seems that this has now all changed. Can someone be kind enough to explain when and why it was changed and what the new numbers mean?

Thanks

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

30,582 posts

242 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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It's how many thousands per hour they earn. It helps with the transfer market.

stuartmmcfc

8,700 posts

199 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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They’re squad numbers and have been used for at least 20 years I think. The old fashioned 1-11 didn’t make sense anymore as tactics evolved and size of squads increased.
Players keep the same numbers.

Wacky Racer

38,972 posts

254 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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Bit of trivia:-

The first FA cup final where players wore numbers on the backs of shirts was in 1933 Everton 3 Manchester City 0.

Everton 1-11

City 12-22

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

30,582 posts

242 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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Wacky Racer said:
Bit of trivia:-

The first FA cup final where players wore numbers on the backs of shirts was in 1933 Everton 3 Manchester City 0.

Everton 1-11

City 12-22
No subs? biggrin

Wacky Racer

38,972 posts

254 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
Wacky Racer said:
Bit of trivia:-

The first FA cup final where players wore numbers on the backs of shirts was in 1933 Everton 3 Manchester City 0.

Everton 1-11

City 12-22
No subs? biggrin
Not in them days biggrin

btw "Dixie" Dean played for Everton and Matt Busby for City.

Black can man

31,915 posts

175 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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Joe Root wears the number 66 in white ball cricket.

I would like to see Harry winks wear the no 40 shirt too.

Glassman

23,113 posts

222 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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William Gallas wore the No.10 shirt at Arsenal.

This made my teeth itch.

48k

13,959 posts

155 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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geek84 said:
Hi Folks

There was a time when football team shirt numbers meant something (1 to 11), with 1 being the goal keeper and 10 & 11 being forward players.

However, it seems that this has now all changed. Can someone be kind enough to explain when and why it was changed and what the new numbers mean?

Thanks
It changed in 1993. Note that 10 and 11 were not necessarily forwards it depended on the formation.

geek84

Original Poster:

587 posts

93 months

Sunday 23rd September 2018
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Thanks Folks

TwigtheWonderkid

44,654 posts

157 months

Thursday 27th September 2018
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Many footballers are stupidly superstitious. They get allocated a high squad number as a 3rd choice player when they are young, break into the team due to injury or suspension of other players, do well and become a regular starter. They can get a lower shirt number for the following season but refuse to change because the original number has been "lucky".

John Terry refused to swap from no 26.

yellowjack

17,257 posts

173 months

Thursday 27th September 2018
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Before 1928 in Europe, no player wore ANY number on his shirt.

Between 1928 and 1993 the FA stuck with the rule that teams had to field players wearing shirts numbered 1 to 11 at the start of any game, and replacements (where, and in the number permitted) had to wear shirts from 12 onwards in chronological order.

Perpetual squad numbers were introduced in 1993 (at the League Cup final). In the 93/94 FA Premier League season, players began to wear a 'perpetual' squad number, and also their name on the shirt as standard. At that time, in the remaining three Football League divisions, squad numbers were optional, but the majority of clubs stuck with the 1 to 11 numbering system.

Squad numbers were compulsory under Football League rules by the 1999/2000 season. The Football Conference clubs had until the 02/03 season to move to squad numbers. A player may wear any squad number between 1 and 99 so long as it is a unique number within his club. It is not normally permitted for a player to change numbers within the same club/squad in the same season, unless he has been out on loan, for example, and his old number re-allocated in his absence. I can't recall the name(s), but I'm sure there have been some quite well-known players who have had a bit of a flounce when their favoured squad number has been on someone else's shirt when they transfer to a new club. Sometimes the solution has been to persuade the current wearer to give up the "special" number to the new signing. Other times I recall a player who (for example) wanted the number 9 shirt actually wearing 27 (or 45, or 36) as his squad number because "2+7=9", etc.

In the lower leagues I believe they still rotate shirts according to the starting lineup for any given game, and do not have "standard" squad numbers. This is partly because the player roster changes more often with lower league clubs, and there is a lot of loaning of players going on to fill holes. It's also because players registered with a club may not always be available to play. One of our local club's semi-professional players was also a Firefighter, and therefore couldn't play when he was 'on shift' on match day, so he'd be replaced by someone further down the pecking order in the roster.

According to The Standardised Rules compiled by the Sanction and Registrations Committee of The Football Association, for the mandatory use of all sanctioned Competitions at Steps 1 to 6 inclusive of the National League System...
the rules said:
Rule 7.5 - The Players’ shirts must be clearly numbered in accordance with the Team Sheet handed to the match referee before a match and there must be no change of numbers during the match except for a change of goalkeeper or if permitted by the match referee because of a blood injury.

Rule 6.7 SUBSTITUTE PLAYERS - A Club at its discretion may use three substitute Players at any time in a match. Substitution can only be made when play is stopped for any reason and the Referee has given permission. When a Club is making a substitution it shall use a Board to show the number of the Player to be substituted and the number of the substitute Player.

A maximum of [ *number of permitted named substitutes varies between leagues at this level ] SUBSTITUTES may be nominated and they must be included on the official Team Sheet handed to the Referee before the match in accordance with Rule 8.11.1.
I can find nothing in this set of rules that requires the numbers 1 to 11 to start the match, but I'm pretty sure there are rules preventing the use of perpetual squad numbers and the printing of names on shirts at lower (non-league) level. This is as much a financial protection for clubs as anything else, as clubs often have just one complete home and one complete away strip for an entire season, meaning the clubs' kit bills are kept sensible. Unlike Premier League/Champions League clubs where they seem to have specific details of match opponents printed/embroidered onto shirts meaning they are a wear-once item with shirts often swapped after matches.





geek84

Original Poster:

587 posts

93 months

Thursday 27th September 2018
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Thanks very much indeed for that bit of information.

Blib

45,435 posts

204 months

Thursday 27th September 2018
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Iirc, for most of their history Celtic players wore bold numbers on one leg of their shorts along with un-numbered shirts.

Black can man

31,915 posts

175 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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Anyone old enough to remember the old Leeds United numbered sock tie ups ?



Scary sight for us old timers .Not many of them would have lasted 90mins these days.


mattyn1

6,092 posts

162 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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I remember seeing Johan Cruyff in the 70s wearing his number on his shorts - and me thinking how cool it was - then Argentina WC with squad numbers and Ossie Ardilles wearing number 1!!

Glassman said:
William Gallas wore the No.10 shirt at Arsenal.

This made my teeth itch.
Why?

Blib

45,435 posts

204 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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@BCM. Yep, at the time, they were the coolest things I'd ever seen.

hehe

TwigtheWonderkid

44,654 posts

157 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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Black can man said:
Anyone old enough to remember the old Leeds United numbered sock tie ups ?



Scary sight for us old timers .Not many of them would have lasted 90mins these days.
Great photo. I assume one of their players has just kicked the ball into touch, and the other 10 are appealing for the throw in.

A great team who won very little. Even their subbuteo team came with them clutching their losers medals.

Black can man

31,915 posts

175 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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Blib said:
@BCM. Yep, at the time, they were the coolest things I'd ever seen.

hehe
I had them too , they were super cool in the day ,

Black can man

31,915 posts

175 months

Friday 28th September 2018
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Black can man said:
Anyone old enough to remember the old Leeds United numbered sock tie ups ?



Scary sight for us old timers .Not many of them would have lasted 90mins these days.
Great photo. I assume one of their players has just kicked the ball into touch, and the other 10 are appealing for the throw in.

A great team who won very little. Even their subbuteo team came with them clutching their losers medals.
laugh