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There seems to be a lot of hoo-ha about him returning to football. Now, I reckon rape is an absolutely hideous crime. My own view is being castrated would be lenient to perps, and if it ever happened to my daughter then god help me because I don't know what I'd do.
However the law of the land is to do your time, and then live your life when it's done. And forgive me if I am wrong, but the man has done his time.
Is football/sport some sort of unique case which lives outside the law, and one which morals apply? Should sportspeople be perfect role models? Because the hand wringers would have him picking up a P45 for the rest of his life.
However the law of the land is to do your time, and then live your life when it's done. And forgive me if I am wrong, but the man has done his time.
Is football/sport some sort of unique case which lives outside the law, and one which morals apply? Should sportspeople be perfect role models? Because the hand wringers would have him picking up a P45 for the rest of his life.
Hideous crime yes. Unsure how they can ever be certain that a person has raped another person though?
He has done his time. I believe he should be allowed to play football.
The rapist branding will stay with him forever however with opposition supporters singing it but I don't think it will have an impact on youngsters playing football thinking that rape is ok and because a pro footballer has done it they should.
He has done his time. I believe he should be allowed to play football.
The rapist branding will stay with him forever however with opposition supporters singing it but I don't think it will have an impact on youngsters playing football thinking that rape is ok and because a pro footballer has done it they should.
What club would want to employ a convicted rapist? Yes he's done his time and I would have no objection to him continuing playing football professionally, but I'd be furious if my club signed a convicted rapist no matter how good he is. And I think most fans would feel the same way, no?
I don't think any top club will go near him for that exact reason. Hardly good for PR. Below championship level he could well get offered something IMO.
I don't think any top club will go near him for that exact reason. Hardly good for PR. Below championship level he could well get offered something IMO.
Lost soul said:
Not sticking up for him but it was not as if he dragged a woman off the streets and raped her , wasn't the girl so drunk she could not give consent ?
Indeed.http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/12/che...
Curious that the other guy was acquitted despite having sex with her.
MrMagoo said:
Yes he's done his time and I would have no objection to him continuing playing football professionally, but I'd be furious if my club signed a convicted rapist no matter how good he is.
Herein lies the rub.You don't object to him continuing his career, as long as it's not for your club.
A lot of others feel the same, hence the reaction to him in general.
I think if he did what he was convicted of, he is a scumbag of the highest order; however he has served his time and therefore his punishment.
Tough choice for a club. Similar to that 'keeper who was sent down for Death by Dangerous for crashing into a family on the motorway whilst pissed.
hornetrider said:
Lost soul said:
Not sticking up for him but it was not as if he dragged a woman off the streets and raped her , wasn't the girl so drunk she could not give consent ?
Indeed.http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/12/che...
Curious that the other guy was acquitted despite having sex with her.
Lost soul said:
I guess because she went hand in hand with him to the hotel ? dunno
Yeah I don't know either.Guardian Article said:
Both claimed that they had had sex with the woman but that it was consensual. However, the Crown Prosecution Service took a different view. It was the prosecution’s case that the woman was too drunk to consent to sex with either man. At the conclusion to the trial, McDonald was acquitted, while Evans was convicted of rape. The judge told him: “As the jury have found, she was in no condition to have sexual intercourse. When you arrived at the hotel, you must have realised that.”
Seems a bit of a contradiction to let one of them off given the above statement from the judge.Also, his current girlfriend's father (a millionaire himself) is bankrolling investigations to get the conviction struck off by way of appeal.
IMO...
Who would want a convicted rapist playing in their team? Change the word rapist to murderer/paedo/burglar/fraudster/etc, would that change your opinion? Not me, none would be fit to represent my team.
Doubt the sponsors would be too happy about being associated with him either.
Who would want a convicted rapist playing in their team? Change the word rapist to murderer/paedo/burglar/fraudster/etc, would that change your opinion? Not me, none would be fit to represent my team.
Doubt the sponsors would be too happy about being associated with him either.
Media reports at the time of his conviction suggested that there should be much pitchfork-sharpening going on. His supporters view of events that night is somewhat different: http://chedevans.com/
I have my doubts about the validity of his conviction, but ultimately he was found guilty. Until such time as that conviction is overturned then I wouldn't feel comfortable with him playing for my team, so I guess I should say 'and any other team either'.
The biggest issue for Evans is that he remains a convicted rapist. Would you fancy running out at 3pm on a Saturday afternoon to face the away fans? There's going to be 90 minutes of barracking to affect his game, none of that will go down well with Supporter's groups and those taking their kids along.
If I was a manager or chairman would I sign him, today? No. Simply because other footballers of similar ability are available with none of the associated baggage that goes with it.
None of this would have happened if he hadn't indulged in the modern-footballer's enthusiasm for indulging in some three-way action when he had a (still very supportive) girlfriend tucked up at home. That her and her wealthy father are stil pushing his innocence is an unusual aspect to this. Why would they do it, one wonders, if not dependent on him for current or future wealth?
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/12/che...
ETA : I was mid-post with the above link when others posted same.
I have my doubts about the validity of his conviction, but ultimately he was found guilty. Until such time as that conviction is overturned then I wouldn't feel comfortable with him playing for my team, so I guess I should say 'and any other team either'.
The biggest issue for Evans is that he remains a convicted rapist. Would you fancy running out at 3pm on a Saturday afternoon to face the away fans? There's going to be 90 minutes of barracking to affect his game, none of that will go down well with Supporter's groups and those taking their kids along.
If I was a manager or chairman would I sign him, today? No. Simply because other footballers of similar ability are available with none of the associated baggage that goes with it.
None of this would have happened if he hadn't indulged in the modern-footballer's enthusiasm for indulging in some three-way action when he had a (still very supportive) girlfriend tucked up at home. That her and her wealthy father are stil pushing his innocence is an unusual aspect to this. Why would they do it, one wonders, if not dependent on him for current or future wealth?
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/12/che...
ETA : I was mid-post with the above link when others posted same.
Edited by PurpleTurtle on Monday 13th October 16:39
hornetrider said:
Lost soul said:
Not sticking up for him but it was not as if he dragged a woman off the streets and raped her , wasn't the girl so drunk she could not give consent ?
Indeed.http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/12/che...
Curious that the other guy was acquitted despite having sex with her.
Reading the report she went with his mate to the hotel, not him.
The jury clearly thought that she had effectively consented to sex with his mate (thats why she was happy to go to the hotel with him) but that he (Ched) turned up and took advantage of her 'condition' as it probably had deteriorated in the hotel room.
Hence he got off and Ched didn't.
ReallyReallyGood said:
IMO...
Who would want a convicted rapist playing in their team? Change the word rapist to murderer/paedo/burglar/fraudster/etc, would that change your opinion? Not me, none would be fit to represent my team.
Doubt the sponsors would be too happy about being associated with him either.
But where do you draw the line?Who would want a convicted rapist playing in their team? Change the word rapist to murderer/paedo/burglar/fraudster/etc, would that change your opinion? Not me, none would be fit to represent my team.
Doubt the sponsors would be too happy about being associated with him either.
Drunk driver ?
Domestic violence ?
Benefit cheat?
Jailed for excessive speed?
Non payment of council tax?
Thankyou4calling said:
But where do you draw the line?
Drunk driver ?
Domestic violence ?
Benefit cheat?
Jailed for excessive speed?
Non payment of council tax?
Well. My personal line would be between benefit cheat and domestic violence in that list.Drunk driver ?
Domestic violence ?
Benefit cheat?
Jailed for excessive speed?
Non payment of council tax?
I'm glad you didn't put cannibal or racist in the list however as I'd get in a kerfuffle
We've already had Lee Hughes and Marlon King return to top level (well, near enough) football, I don't see the difference here.
Don't think I would want him at the club I support however.
but he has done his time, and if you extrapolate it out, do you want ex cons never to work again ? not exactly a recipe for success. I guess that makes me a hypocrite.
Don't think I would want him at the club I support however.
but he has done his time, and if you extrapolate it out, do you want ex cons never to work again ? not exactly a recipe for success. I guess that makes me a hypocrite.
hornetrider said:
Well. My personal line would be between benefit cheat and domestic violence in that list.
I'm glad you didn't put cannibal or racist in the list however as I'd get in a kerfuffle
Ha ha. The point I'm making, which I'm sure you can see is that people are criminals for all sorts of reasons.I'm glad you didn't put cannibal or racist in the list however as I'd get in a kerfuffle
Are some saying that a rapist shouldn't be employed again but it's ok for someone who has committed another crime.
What level of crime or conviction is acceptable to those people, it's worth bearing in mind an awful lot of celebrities do have criminal convictions and have gone on with their careers.
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