Arsenal v Galatasaray

[a17vts]

Went to the game last night and couldn't believe the Galatasaray fan?

They clearly were trying to get the game abandoned. I've got some cool pics I took which I'll upload shortly, but I personally believe they should be made to play with no fans , unless they can behave.

Tom

[Alfahorn]

I think they should face a European ban frankly. Their behaviour compromised the safety of their own supporters, those of Arsenal, staff and Police.

I Find it incredible that Arsenal are being called to account by UEFA as a result of the actions of these 'fans' last night.

[Killer2005]

Alfahorn said:

I think they should face a European ban frankly. Their behaviour compromised the safety of their own supporters, those of Arsenal, staff and Police.

I Find it incredible that Arsenal are being called to account by UEFA as a result of the actions of these 'fans' last night.

They should have been banned 14 years ago, and Fifa have had plenty of other opportunities to do something about them since then too.

[gaz1234]

Pics.

[BlackST]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-...

[gaz1234]

Just having fun.
No one hurt.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Alfahorn said:

I Find it incredible that Arsenal are being called to account by UEFA as a result of the actions of these 'fans' last night.

Whose staff are responsible for searching the fans at the turnstiles? There's your answer.

If I was an Arsenal fan (shudders at the very thought) or an innocent Turkish fan, and I suffered an injury from one of these flares hitting me, it would be Arsenal FC I would be suing and it would be Arsenal's public liability insurers who would be paying me. Because it's Arsenal's fault that these flares found their way into the ground.

Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Friday 3rd October 13:08

[a17vts]

I do agree that Arsenal should have searched the Turkish fan, especially as they were letting off flares and fireworks prior to the match starting so should have been expected.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

I saw a picture in the paper of the Turkish fans marching up the Seven Sisters Rd and loads of flares alight. So a thorough search of al fans entering the ground isn't rocket science. Plus I think sniffer dogs can be used to identify fans with flares.

Arsenal have a duty of care towards their own fans and the majority of away fans who didn't have flares. In that, they failed.

Ps. Not just an anti Ar5e position, much as I delight in their misery. The same would apply if it had happened at Chelsea.

Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Friday 3rd October 13:56

[Cheib]

Well...I went to the game and was sat just above the fans in the Clock End. They were plenty of searches before hand...the Galtasarray fans had additional searches over and above what you normally get at The Emirates including the use of sniffer dogs.

The flares were kept within the away fans section or on the pitch. None were thrown at Arsenal fans.

In addition to flares plenty of other object were thrown on the pitch....coins, bottles and lord knows what else . The Police had a cordon of officers between the fans and the pitch after the game had been going for about 20 mins....most of the flares were thrown over their heads as were the bottles etc. I was quite surpirsed at the lack of action from BiB...

During the second half plenty of bottles were thrown by the Galatassaray fans up into the Arsenal fans sitting in the middle tier behind them....there was no retaliation but the police didn't do anything then either which surprised me. They only started arresting people towards the end of the game when they sent officers in to the crowd to pull out specific individuals who I guess had been spotted on video during the earlier ructions.

In short I think the flares themselves probably looked worse on TV than they actually were as they were never thrown at players or other fans.

There were plenty of coins and bottles thrown at players and Arsenal fans which in my mind is worse and hasn't been reported........

[Alfahorn]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Alfahorn said:

I Find it incredible that Arsenal are being called to account by UEFA as a result of the actions of these 'fans' last night.

Whose staff are responsible for searching the fans at the turnstiles? There's your answer.

If I was an Arsenal fan (shudders at the very thought) or an innocent Turkish fan, and I suffered an injury from one of these flares hitting me, it would be Arsenal FC I would be suing and it would be Arsenal's public liability insurers who would be paying me. Because it's Arsenal's fault that these flares found their way into the ground.

Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Friday 3rd October 13:08

I've not disputed the responsibly of Arsenal, however it is not solely the responsibility of Arsenal for ensuring these flares were confiscated. The Met have a responsibility to ensure law and order on the streets around the stadium and they are also capable.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Alfahorn said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Alfahorn said:

I Find it incredible that Arsenal are being called to account by UEFA as a result of the actions of these 'fans' last night.

Whose staff are responsible for searching the fans at the turnstiles? There's your answer.

If I was an Arsenal fan (shudders at the very thought) or an innocent Turkish fan, and I suffered an injury from one of these flares hitting me, it would be Arsenal FC I would be suing and it would be Arsenal's public liability insurers who would be paying me. Because it's Arsenal's fault that these flares found their way into the ground.

Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Friday 3rd October 13:08

I've not disputed the responsibly of Arsenal, however it is not solely the responsibility of Arsenal for ensuring these flares were confiscated. The Met have a responsibility to ensure law and order on the streets around the stadium and they are also capable.

Assume you mean culpable and you're right. If I was injured in the streets prior to the game that's where I'd start my complaints. Wit the police. But UEFA don't regulate the streets of North London, they regulate European football and the clubs involved. Arsenal hosted the match, and Arsenal failed to prevent multiple flares getting into the ground.

[Alfahorn]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Assume you mean culpable and you're right. If I was injured in the streets prior to the game that's where I'd start my complaints. Wit the police. But UEFA don't regulate the streets of North London, they regulate European football and the clubs involved. Arsenal hosted the match, and Arsenal failed to prevent multiple flares getting into the ground.

I assume you meant with.

The point I'm making is that long before the supporters reached the stadium it was identified there was an issue with flares. The Met have the responsibility for ensuring safety outside the ground and should have taken measures to step up security and they failed to do so.

Regardless of any of this. The main issue is the ongoing poor behaviour of Turkish fans, in particular Gala who are notorious for causing trouble on their travels. Too much responsibility is being placed on stewards who are not paid enough to be placed in to potential conflict and danger, the responsibility in such circumstances rests with the Police as they trained to deal with such issues.

It is a shared responsibility and by charging Arsenal detracts from the actions of Gala fans.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Alfahorn said:

Too much responsibility is being placed on stewards who are not paid enough to be placed in to potential conflict and danger, the responsibility in such circumstances rests with the Police as they trained to deal with such issues.

Who is responsible for setting stewards' pay and training them? Is that not the clubs who employ them? If they are underpaid and under trained, who's fault is that?

[Alfahorn]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Alfahorn said:

Too much responsibility is being placed on stewards who are not paid enough to be placed in to potential conflict and danger, the responsibility in such circumstances rests with the Police as they trained to deal with such issues.

Who is responsible for setting stewards' pay and training them? Is that not the clubs who employ them? If they are underpaid and under trained, who's fault is that?

What I said makes sense. However, what is apparent it doesn't matter what I say you'll argue it. I'll Leave you to deduce whatever you like from that.

[Panclan]

UEFA have charged Arsenal for allowing flares into their ground, why haven't Anderlecht been charge for the same offence, Dortmund fans lit flares in their game?