The Official Tottenham Hotspur thread [Vol 14]
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Well you would like to think that's a factor.
The bigger concern though is that what is going on between the clubs probably isn't against the rules however much it stinks. The Punishments and introduction of these rules have already proven to be a bit of a farce. They are evidently not defined or watertight enough and will be unpicked by lawyers and accountants.
Which means it comes down to a morality issue, and you can see how that'll go.
The bigger concern though is that what is going on between the clubs probably isn't against the rules however much it stinks. The Punishments and introduction of these rules have already proven to be a bit of a farce. They are evidently not defined or watertight enough and will be unpicked by lawyers and accountants.
Which means it comes down to a morality issue, and you can see how that'll go.
Joeywinkle said:
Archie Gray done, with Joe Rodon going the other way.
Seems a good deal for all involved, from what I recall Rodon had a fairly good loan spell up there.
We're really committing to youth, now we need some first-team quality players!
As a Leeds fan I'm devastated to see Archie Gray go. However, I understand why it's happened and wish him all the best; I honestly believe he'll play for England one day and I reckon he'll be knocking on the door of a first team place with Spurs quicker than you might think!Seems a good deal for all involved, from what I recall Rodon had a fairly good loan spell up there.
We're really committing to youth, now we need some first-team quality players!
As you say, Joe Rodon was good for us last season but his welcome return will only soothe the pain very slightly - losing one of your own hurts a lot, especially when he's as good as Archie...
JNW1 said:
As a Leeds fan I'm devastated to see Archie Gray go. However, I understand why it's happened and wish him all the best; I honestly believe he'll play for England one day and I reckon he'll be knocking on the door of a first team place with Spurs quicker than you might think!
As you say, Joe Rodon was good for us last season but his welcome return will only soothe the pain very slightly - losing one of your own hurts a lot, especially when he's as good as Archie...
That's good to hear JNW, especially as most of us probably aren't that clued up on him!As you say, Joe Rodon was good for us last season but his welcome return will only soothe the pain very slightly - losing one of your own hurts a lot, especially when he's as good as Archie...
47 apps at 18 years old though, he must be very very good. I've since read up a bit about him and watched some highlights - realise he played RB for you a fair bit but also CM, can you see him playing as a 6?
From what i've seen, he's excellent on the ball but also defensively sound enough to play at the back; seems exactly the sort of player Ange would want to play as a 6 in his system, with the option of RB cover where needed (again important for us if he's good enough to play in CM with our inverting full backs). Can see him getting cup and EL appearances, don't think there's a chance we spend that much and let him go out on loan!
Apparently Spurs have promised game time, paid around £25-30m, plus Rodon despite Brentford offering £40m
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5605790/2024/07/0...
It helped Leeds with their profit and sustainability rules issues
Bele has signed a two-year contract with OGC Nice
https://www.spurs-web.com/spurs-news/tanguy-ndombe...
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5605790/2024/07/0...
It helped Leeds with their profit and sustainability rules issues
Bele has signed a two-year contract with OGC Nice
https://www.spurs-web.com/spurs-news/tanguy-ndombe...
Joeywinkle said:
JNW1 said:
As a Leeds fan I'm devastated to see Archie Gray go. However, I understand why it's happened and wish him all the best; I honestly believe he'll play for England one day and I reckon he'll be knocking on the door of a first team place with Spurs quicker than you might think!
As you say, Joe Rodon was good for us last season but his welcome return will only soothe the pain very slightly - losing one of your own hurts a lot, especially when he's as good as Archie...
That's good to hear JNW, especially as most of us probably aren't that clued up on him!As you say, Joe Rodon was good for us last season but his welcome return will only soothe the pain very slightly - losing one of your own hurts a lot, especially when he's as good as Archie...
47 apps at 18 years old though, he must be very very good. I've since read up a bit about him and watched some highlights - realise he played RB for you a fair bit but also CM, can you see him playing as a 6?
From what i've seen, he's excellent on the ball but also defensively sound enough to play at the back; seems exactly the sort of player Ange would want to play as a 6 in his system, with the option of RB cover where needed (again important for us if he's good enough to play in CM with our inverting full backs). Can see him getting cup and EL appearances, don't think there's a chance we spend that much and let him go out on loan!
Rest assured he is very, very good - he was one of our best players in the Championship last season and I've no doubt at all he'll be able to make the transition to the Premier League without a problem. Doesn't sound like we've got a sell-on clause as part of the deal which if true sounds like an error on our part - if he develops as I think he might I can see Spurs receiving some hefty offers for him before his contract expires and we should have been insisting on a share of any profit if you're tempted to sell!
Guvernator said:
It's another punt on a young, unproven player.
See also Sessignon, Gil, Clarke, Spence, Phillips. Usual Levy MO, nothing to see here.
Can't comment on all of those but we sold you Jack Clarke and at the time I think most Leeds fans thought it was good business for us given he wasn't even guaranteed a place in our starting line-up in the Championship under Bielsa. See also Sessignon, Gil, Clarke, Spence, Phillips. Usual Levy MO, nothing to see here.
Archie Gray is different though - very different. As I said in a previous post, I think he'll play for England one day and I reckon he'll prove to be a real asset for Spurs - I'll be genuinely surprised if you get to the end of the season thinking he's been a bad buy.
JNW1 said:
Can't comment on all of those but we sold you Jack Clarke and at the time I think most Leeds fans thought it was good business for us given he wasn't even guaranteed a place in our starting line-up in the Championship under Bielsa.
Archie Gray is different though - very different. As I said in a previous post, I think he'll play for England one day and I reckon he'll prove to be a real asset for Spurs - I'll be genuinely surprised if you get to the end of the season thinking he's been a bad buy.
That's hardly a ringing endorsement Archie Gray is different though - very different. As I said in a previous post, I think he'll play for England one day and I reckon he'll prove to be a real asset for Spurs - I'll be genuinely surprised if you get to the end of the season thinking he's been a bad buy.
272BHP said:
JNW1 said:
Can't comment on all of those but we sold you Jack Clarke and at the time I think most Leeds fans thought it was good business for us given he wasn't even guaranteed a place in our starting line-up in the Championship under Bielsa.
Archie Gray is different though - very different. As I said in a previous post, I think he'll play for England one day and I reckon he'll prove to be a real asset for Spurs - I'll be genuinely surprised if you get to the end of the season thinking he's been a bad buy.
That's hardly a ringing endorsement Archie Gray is different though - very different. As I said in a previous post, I think he'll play for England one day and I reckon he'll prove to be a real asset for Spurs - I'll be genuinely surprised if you get to the end of the season thinking he's been a bad buy.
Byker28i said:
Hardly unproven? an England international from under-15 to under-21 level, 51 appearances last season means he's not injury prone
He's 18 and had one season in the Championship, it's literally the definition of unproven for a young footballer stepping up to the PL. The number of young players who make the jump from Championship to PL and succeed is a short list, the list of ones that don't make it is considerably longer.Don't get me wrong, I would love for him to come good and become the next Dembele for us but I'm not holding my breath as the odds aren't great so sorry if I'm not going all weak-kneed at this signing. We've been here before, plenty of times.
We finished 25 points off the top of the table, we need players that will significantly improve our first 11 team now, not players who may or may not turn out OK in 2-3 years time.
Guvernator said:
It's another punt on a young, unproven player.
See also Sessignon, Gil, Clarke, Spence, Phillips. Usual Levy MO, nothing to see here.
Standard Levy recruitment. Have to maintain the 25/25/25/25 squad balance.See also Sessignon, Gil, Clarke, Spence, Phillips. Usual Levy MO, nothing to see here.
25% good players in their prime
25% players past their prime but cheap transfer fees / long contracts
25% punts on kids who could be anything in the future but currently aren't good enough to start
25% players who aren't good enough but Levy doesn't want to sell at a loss (see punts on kids), or are on low contracts and it's cheaper to renew than replace (see players past their prime).
Which is literally why we never win anything. Needs to be at least 40/20/20/20.
Guvernator said:
Byker28i said:
Hardly unproven? an England international from under-15 to under-21 level, 51 appearances last season means he's not injury prone
He's 18 and had one season in the Championship, it's literally the definition of unproven for a young footballer stepping up to the PL. The number of young players who make the jump from Championship to PL and succeed is a short list, the list of ones that don't make it is considerably longer.Don't get me wrong, I would love for him to come good and become the next Dembele for us but I'm not holding my breath as the odds aren't great so sorry if I'm not going all weak-kneed at this signing. We've been here before, plenty of times.
We finished 25 points off the top of the table, we need players that will significantly improve our first 11 team now, not players who may or may not turn out OK in 2-3 years time.
JNW1 said:
Given the history at Spurs I understand why you're not convinced - I genuinely believe Archie Gray will be a name to add to the list of successes but we'll only know for certain when he's had a decent run of games in your first team so we'll just have to wait and see. I look forward to coming back on here in a few months time to say I told you so!
I really really do hope you do.However for every Bellingham, there are 100 Sessegnon's. He was voted Championship player of the year and all we kept hearing was that he was tearing it up in the Championship. He joined us and when he wasn't injured (which was 90% of the time), he was absolute pony and that's only one example so you can understand my reservations.
Many have also argued that we should be giving our younger players more chances rather than playing some of our rubbish, longer serving players, however last season that didn't really happen, therefore I'd be very surprised if Archie plays more than a handful of games for us this season.
Guvernator said:
JNW1 said:
Given the history at Spurs I understand why you're not convinced - I genuinely believe Archie Gray will be a name to add to the list of successes but we'll only know for certain when he's had a decent run of games in your first team so we'll just have to wait and see. I look forward to coming back on here in a few months time to say I told you so!
I really really do hope you do.However for every Bellingham, there are 100 Sessegnon's. He was voted Championship player of the year and all we kept hearing was that he was tearing it up in the Championship. He joined us and when he wasn't injured (which was 90% of the time), he was absolute pony and that's only one example so you can understand my reservations.
Many have also argued that we should be giving our younger players more chances rather than playing some of our rubbish, longer serving players, however last season that didn't really happen, therefore I'd be very surprised if Archie plays more than a handful of games for us this season.
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