The Official England Thread- The Team We All Support [Vol 3]
Discussion
ChocolateFrog said:
Gut feeling is he'll go whatever happens.
When people are throwing stuff at you that's got to register on some level, unless you're Liz Truss.
I agree. I think he will decide his time is up if the FA doesn't. When people are throwing stuff at you that's got to register on some level, unless you're Liz Truss.
I also thought the pundits were way off with their assessment. It was an upturn in performance, but from a very low bar.
I'd love to see some direct pace injected into the forward line but having seen us limp over the line with the same square pegs I don't think it's going to happen.
ChocolateFrog said:
dobbo_ said:
When Kane plays deep it's only works if he has someone making runs. His passing that opens up defences is almost as good as his finishing.
So yes I agree with he should be playing alongside Watkins.
Agreed. Was clear as day at Spurs with him and Son.So yes I agree with he should be playing alongside Watkins.
Not sure what Gareth does when he sits in the stands at club games because it clearly isn't watching the matches.
He's got it at Bayern as well with the way they play.
Its remarkable he's scored as many goals for England as he has really, although nearly 20 odd pens has helped his stats.
I have to say the England manager role is certainly not an easy one, tens of millions of people on your back either in a positive or negative way.
We have seen in the past of course debates about formations, players, tactics etc. but usually the fan base is quite fragmented in what they think the manager should do. In this case, I cant remember so many people saying the same thing, and being so dismayed with the managers in ability to see the obvious.
The Foden out of position issue
The Kane is not 25 years old issue
The not having a fit LB in the squad issue
Generaly lack of fitness and pressing
We have seen in the past of course debates about formations, players, tactics etc. but usually the fan base is quite fragmented in what they think the manager should do. In this case, I cant remember so many people saying the same thing, and being so dismayed with the managers in ability to see the obvious.
The Foden out of position issue
The Kane is not 25 years old issue
The not having a fit LB in the squad issue
Generaly lack of fitness and pressing
Lets not forget Kanes had no service at all, but then you've BBC Pundits saying Kane needs to just wait up top, yet last game we saw him chasing players back, defending well at corners and getting praised for it.
Kanes problem is there's absolutely no service coming to him, or if it does, he's no one around him to lay off to - no runners.
Even when we were putting balls in the box, no midfielder was busting a gut to get in there, or they were just overhit
Kanes problem is there's absolutely no service coming to him, or if it does, he's no one around him to lay off to - no runners.
Even when we were putting balls in the box, no midfielder was busting a gut to get in there, or they were just overhit
I've criticised Southgate and the way team are set up and perform, match after match, as much as everyone else. Nothing we moan about is going to change anything. We've seen that not just now but over the last 6 years since Russia.
What we do have is a team that will be on a high since the pen shootout, a team with tournament experience (which is so important), despite not playing well we do have that big-game nous - finding a way to win no matter the time remaining or going behind, digging out results somehow. That cannot be underestimated and the best teams, even when not playing well, just find a way. That's what we are getting from this team and we need to now just get behind them fully, rather than whining and moaning as it won't change anything.
I just hope after the last two 120+min games, we are able to recover as a team, especialy as Gareth is likely to make very minimal changes.
What we do have is a team that will be on a high since the pen shootout, a team with tournament experience (which is so important), despite not playing well we do have that big-game nous - finding a way to win no matter the time remaining or going behind, digging out results somehow. That cannot be underestimated and the best teams, even when not playing well, just find a way. That's what we are getting from this team and we need to now just get behind them fully, rather than whining and moaning as it won't change anything.
I just hope after the last two 120+min games, we are able to recover as a team, especialy as Gareth is likely to make very minimal changes.
Byker28i said:
Lets not forget Kanes had no service at all, but then you've BBC Pundits saying Kane needs to just wait up top, yet last game we saw him chasing players back, defending well at corners and getting praised for it.
Kanes problem is there's absolutely no service coming to him, or if it does, he's no one around him to lay off to - no runners.
Even when we were putting balls in the box, no midfielder was busting a gut to get in there, or they were just overhit
Is that Kane’s role ….he's past it ..needs to be dropped …it’s Southgate’s Sir Alf Ramsey moment but who is Southgate’s Hurst …Watkins for me …Kanes problem is there's absolutely no service coming to him, or if it does, he's no one around him to lay off to - no runners.
Even when we were putting balls in the box, no midfielder was busting a gut to get in there, or they were just overhit
Ducati996R said:
Byker28i said:
Lets not forget Kanes had no service at all, but then you've BBC Pundits saying Kane needs to just wait up top, yet last game we saw him chasing players back, defending well at corners and getting praised for it.
Kanes problem is there's absolutely no service coming to him, or if it does, he's no one around him to lay off to - no runners.
Even when we were putting balls in the box, no midfielder was busting a gut to get in there, or they were just overhit
Is that Kane’s role ….he's past it ..needs to be dropped …it’s Southgate’s Sir Alf Ramsey moment but who is Southgate’s Hurst …Watkins for me …Kanes problem is there's absolutely no service coming to him, or if it does, he's no one around him to lay off to - no runners.
Even when we were putting balls in the box, no midfielder was busting a gut to get in there, or they were just overhit
Clearly, as everyone has pointed out. He needs a runner, any Bayern or Spurs fan will tell you this.
coldel said:
Ducati996R said:
Byker28i said:
Lets not forget Kanes had no service at all, but then you've BBC Pundits saying Kane needs to just wait up top, yet last game we saw him chasing players back, defending well at corners and getting praised for it.
Kanes problem is there's absolutely no service coming to him, or if it does, he's no one around him to lay off to - no runners.
Even when we were putting balls in the box, no midfielder was busting a gut to get in there, or they were just overhit
Is that Kane’s role ….he's past it ..needs to be dropped …it’s Southgate’s Sir Alf Ramsey moment but who is Southgate’s Hurst …Watkins for me …Kanes problem is there's absolutely no service coming to him, or if it does, he's no one around him to lay off to - no runners.
Even when we were putting balls in the box, no midfielder was busting a gut to get in there, or they were just overhit
Clearly, as everyone has pointed out. He needs a runner, any Bayern or Spurs fan will tell you this.
I think post tournament, new manager, Rice is perfectly placed to captain the country. A shoo in for every game, minimum 7 out of 10 every game, right in the middle of the park, very vocal. I think its obvious we cannot keep picking Kane based on him being captain. His performances havent deserved it.
As per an earlier post I am also a Watkins fan and have been for a while. He will run all 90 mins, never give up. Doesnt dive or cheat....( I might have blinkers on)...I think he is a genuine hard working attacker.
Bellingham could be a " Lampard". Foden seems lost. Trippier, out....Saka brill. The back 3 solid. Its the upfront thats let England down. They just dont score goals
Bellingham could be a " Lampard". Foden seems lost. Trippier, out....Saka brill. The back 3 solid. Its the upfront thats let England down. They just dont score goals
TWODs said:
I like the fact we played marginally better, I don't like fact we had to be reliant on a wonder goal and penalties to get us past the Swiss. Anyway Netherlands are in the FIFA top 10 so that's our tournament over bye bye Gareth & hello Frank
I'm not so sure. We seem to have this knack of bringing the opposition down to our turgid level and dragging our semi-decomposed corpse over the line somehow.1-1 with England to win on pens.
Tycho said:
coldel said:
Ducati996R said:
Byker28i said:
Lets not forget Kanes had no service at all, but then you've BBC Pundits saying Kane needs to just wait up top, yet last game we saw him chasing players back, defending well at corners and getting praised for it.
Kanes problem is there's absolutely no service coming to him, or if it does, he's no one around him to lay off to - no runners.
Even when we were putting balls in the box, no midfielder was busting a gut to get in there, or they were just overhit
Is that Kane’s role ….he's past it ..needs to be dropped …it’s Southgate’s Sir Alf Ramsey moment but who is Southgate’s Hurst …Watkins for me …Kanes problem is there's absolutely no service coming to him, or if it does, he's no one around him to lay off to - no runners.
Even when we were putting balls in the box, no midfielder was busting a gut to get in there, or they were just overhit
Clearly, as everyone has pointed out. He needs a runner, any Bayern or Spurs fan will tell you this.
Why should international football, which is arguably more important to the nation, have any room for sentiment? I would rather we won the euros. No player should be greater than the team.
C4ME said:
The 'last tournament', 'great servant of the country' thing is kind of interesting. I always think "What would have Sir Alex Ferguson have done?" Simple, made a ruthless decision and dropped him. Quite a while ago. He did it with many players over the years and sold them on.
Why should international football, which is arguably more important to the nation, have any room for sentiment? I would rather we won the euros. No player should be greater than the team.
Totally agree, this is one thing that Southgate actually has in common with Klopp. They are both a bit sentimental and have difficulty dropping certain players. That's where the similarities end though. I'd like to see Gomez in at left back as he played there when Robbo was out and did a really good job. Saka is a waste playing there IMO.Why should international football, which is arguably more important to the nation, have any room for sentiment? I would rather we won the euros. No player should be greater than the team.
Tycho said:
Totally agree, this is one thing that Southgate actually has in common with Klopp. They are both a bit sentimental and have difficulty dropping certain players. That's where the similarities end though. I'd like to see Gomez in at left back as he played there when Robbo was out and did a really good job. Saka is a waste playing there IMO.
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