The Official England Thread- The Team We All Support [Vol 3]

[TWODs]

48k said:

I like Southgate. He was in the year above me at school, and the best asset the school produced, aside from Romesh Ranganathan and of course, Chico. He's "one of our own" and I will defend him to the hilt, but I'd have a lot more respect for him if his post match interviews were like this:

https://x.com/wolfden1877/status/18079004649244797...

That is great... you've got to hope that behind closed doors this is what they are saying to each other, or are they that far from reality that they think, luck, fate, destiny and divine intervention are the only things you need to win a proper tournament?

[bobski1]

TWODs said:

48k said:

I like Southgate. He was in the year above me at school, and the best asset the school produced, aside from Romesh Ranganathan and of course, Chico. He's "one of our own" and I will defend him to the hilt, but I'd have a lot more respect for him if his post match interviews were like this:

https://x.com/wolfden1877/status/18079004649244797...

That is great... you've got to hope that behind closed doors this is what they are saying to each other, or are they that far from reality that they think, luck, fate, destiny and divine intervention are the only things you need to win a proper tournament?

Im not sure that they do, from the interveiws they give and the way they have responded to the criticism it seems like they are all bought into the GS way, either that or they are just saying it to stay in the good books and squad rather than being cast out for going against the system.

I really hope it changes but I just cannot see it, although would people accept this way if it did lead to winning the Euros??

[Dave200]

GloverMart said:

Adam. said:

Dave200 said:

Of England's "abundance of riches" you've got:
- Rice, not even the best player at his club on current form
- Foden, I'm struggling to recall a single decent England performance
- Kane, isn't playing well and is barely managing the basics
- Bellingham, looks absolutely knackered

thats a strange argument used to support GS

Rice was excellent for Arsenal, and has been solid so far
Foden was brilliant at City, GS is ruining him by playing him in the wrong place
Kane was excellent for Bayern, GS is ruining him, with his negative tactics leaving him isolated
Bellingham is knackered because GS should be rotating him with Foden

1000% agree, Adam. I wouldn't want Dave200 on my defence team, he makes a better case for the prosecution.

So, tell me something. If Portugal, with their "abundance of riches" (3 world class players) struggled past Slovenia, why was it such a failure for Southgate that a similarly talented England side struggled to do the same?

[Arrivalist]

Dave200 said:

GloverMart said:

Adam. said:

Dave200 said:

Of England's "abundance of riches" you've got:
- Rice, not even the best player at his club on current form
- Foden, I'm struggling to recall a single decent England performance
- Kane, isn't playing well and is barely managing the basics
- Bellingham, looks absolutely knackered

thats a strange argument used to support GS

Rice was excellent for Arsenal, and has been solid so far
Foden was brilliant at City, GS is ruining him by playing him in the wrong place
Kane was excellent for Bayern, GS is ruining him, with his negative tactics leaving him isolated
Bellingham is knackered because GS should be rotating him with Foden

1000% agree, Adam. I wouldn't want Dave200 on my defence team, he makes a better case for the prosecution.

So, tell me something. If Portugal, with their "abundance of riches" (3 world class players) struggled past Slovenia, why was it such a failure for Southgate that a similarly talented England side struggled to do the same?

Nice bit of whataboutery!

Q. What relevance is Portugal to the awful way we play?

A. None at all.

Edited by Arrivalist on Wednesday 3rd July 18:32

[Dave200]

Arrivalist said:

Nice bit of whataboutery!

Q. What relevance is Portugal to the awful way we play?

A. None at all.

Edited by Arrivalist on Wednesday 3rd July 18:32

Nothing "whatabout" at all.

Southgate has come under persistent criticism for not getting the most out of such a hugely talented side. I'd say that Portugal are equally talented, and performing similarly.

[NRG1976]

Dave200 said:

Arrivalist said:

Nice bit of whataboutery!

Q. What relevance is Portugal to the awful way we play?

A. None at all.

Edited by Arrivalist on Wednesday 3rd July 18:32

Nothing "whatabout" at all.

Southgate has come under persistent criticism for not getting the most out of such a hugely talented side. I'd say that Portugal are equally talented, and performing similarly.

At least Portugal attacked and tried to proactively win!

[Dave200]

NRG1976 said:

Dave200 said:

Arrivalist said:

Nice bit of whataboutery!

Q. What relevance is Portugal to the awful way we play?

A. None at all.

Edited by Arrivalist on Wednesday 3rd July 18:32

Nothing "whatabout" at all.

Southgate has come under persistent criticism for not getting the most out of such a hugely talented side. I'd say that Portugal are equally talented, and performing similarly.

At least Portugal attacked and tried to proactively win!

Portugal XG vs Slovenia: 1.9 (including a penalty)
England XG vs Slovenia: 1.4

Yeah, a massive difference there.

[carlo996]

Heard tonight that the plan is saving Shaw for the final. fking hell, made me laugh, if it wasn’t so pathetic it’d be tragic.

Can’t wait for this to be over on Saturday and Southgate fked off out into an FA job.

[Flip Martian]

carlo996 said:

Heard tonight that the plan is saving Shaw for the final. fking hell, made me laugh, if it wasn’t so pathetic it’d be tragic.

Can’t wait for this to be over on Saturday and Southgate fked off out into an FA job.

What a first class way Southgate has found for motivating that player Shaw would replace, if true (but probably isn't).

[Dave200]

carlo996 said:

Heard tonight that the plan is saving Shaw for the final. fking hell, made me laugh, if it wasn’t so pathetic it’d be tragic.

Can’t wait for this to be over on Saturday and Southgate fked off out into an FA job.

Assume that was someone down the pub who you immediately believed?

[carlo996]

Dave200 said:

Assume that was someone down the pub who you immediately believed?

National radio Dave, but I’m deeply flattered by your continuing attention. I’m not interest in a relationship, you must move on chap.

[G-wiz]

Dave200 said:

Portugal XG vs Slovenia: 1.9 (including a penalty)
England XG vs Slovenia: 1.4

Yeah, a massive difference there.

It is massive. 35% better.

[Dave200]

G-wiz said:

Dave200 said:

Portugal XG vs Slovenia: 1.9 (including a penalty)
England XG vs Slovenia: 1.4

Yeah, a massive difference there.

It is massive. 35% better.

It includes a penalty, which they failed to score...

[honest_delboy]

[carlo996]

Flip Martian said:

What a first class way Southgate has found for motivating that player Shaw would replace, if true (but probably isn't).

Amazing he took an injured left back in the first place. I thought we were done with daft calls like that.

[GloverMart]

Dave200 said:

G-wiz said:

Dave200 said:

Portugal XG vs Slovenia: 1.9 (including a penalty)
England XG vs Slovenia: 1.4

Yeah, a massive difference there.

It is massive. 35% better.

It includes a penalty, which they failed to score...

The fact they didn't score the penalty doesn't take anything away from the fact they are more attacking than England, both to the eye and via the XG number.

[Arrivalist]

Dave200 said:

Arrivalist said:

Nice bit of whataboutery!

Q. What relevance is Portugal to the awful way we play?

A. None at all.

Edited by Arrivalist on Wednesday 3rd July 18:32

Nothing "whatabout" at all.

Southgate has come under persistent criticism for not getting the most out of such a hugely talented side. I'd say that Portugal are equally talented, and performing similarly.

So on that basis we can conclude that Southgate is as ste as the manager of Portugal’.

Nothing in that to suggest Southgate doesn’t deserve the criticism he’s getting.

[carlo996]

Arrivalist said:

So on that basis we can conclude that Southgate is as ste as the manager of Portugal’.

Nothing in that to suggest Southgate doesn’t deserve the criticism he’s getting.

Portugal, as talented man for man as England, second laugh of the night

I'd wager any of the euro managers would get a better tune out of us, can you imagine a Pep or Klopp?Southgate is finished, he's negative, has no plan b and proven that when it comes to questions at the highest level that he has no answer. I can only hope that the players self respect kicks in and they do well despite the manager. Up to them, it's their legacy.

[NRG1976]

GloverMart said:

Dave200 said:

G-wiz said:

Dave200 said:

Portugal XG vs Slovenia: 1.9 (including a penalty)
England XG vs Slovenia: 1.4

Yeah, a massive difference there.

It is massive. 35% better.

It includes a penalty, which they failed to score...

The fact they didn't score the penalty doesn't take anything away from the fact they are more attacking than England, both to the eye and via the XG number.

Problem is fans now look at stats rather than use their eyes and common sense. They then take one stat and convince themselves of that the pre-determined narrative in their mind is therefore correct (cognitive bias).

If the poster did want to look at stats he could perhaps compare Portugal doing 63% more attacks than England, 66% more attempts on goal, double the number of corners etc…but no, having probably not watched the match they see one stat and hang their opinion on that !!!

[Puzzles]

You don’t need stats to tell you when it’s pissing down outside