The Official England Thread- The Team We All Support [Vol 3]
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Byker28i said:
Legend83 said:
We will miss Guehi, who was solid defensively again (Stones was at fault for the goal IMO) and got the flick-on assist for Bellingham's goal.
It goes without saying we were fecking lucky, and it could have been very different if Schranz had gone down when clipped by Guehi instead of tucking the goal away...
We were also fortunate either the ref calmed down or someone at UEFA had a word at half-time as Bellingham could easily have got a second yellow for that awful dive.
It has not been pretty, but hey we are into the quarters of the EUROS
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Ref went yellow card happy in the first 20 mins, then let equal of worse tackles go in the second halfIt goes without saying we were fecking lucky, and it could have been very different if Schranz had gone down when clipped by Guehi instead of tucking the goal away...
We were also fortunate either the ref calmed down or someone at UEFA had a word at half-time as Bellingham could easily have got a second yellow for that awful dive.
It has not been pretty, but hey we are into the quarters of the EUROS
.Stones looked poor
Edited by Yazza54 on Monday 1st July 14:24
General Price said:
For a Englander living in Scotland,the game couldn't have had a better end.
Slovakia flags are being replaced by Swiss as we speak.
Hey man, now Scotland and Italy are out, you guys have my undivided attention...I'm sure the nation is breathing a sigh of relief for my unwavering support...were not all ABE. Slovakia flags are being replaced by Swiss as we speak.
Yazza54 said:
Byker28i said:
Legend83 said:
We will miss Guehi, who was solid defensively again (Stones was at fault for the goal IMO) and got the flick-on assist for Bellingham's goal.
It goes without saying we were fecking lucky, and it could have been very different if Schranz had gone down when clipped by Guehi instead of tucking the goal away...
We were also fortunate either the ref calmed down or someone at UEFA had a word at half-time as Bellingham could easily have got a second yellow for that awful dive.
It has not been pretty, but hey we are into the quarters of the EUROS.
Ref went yellow card happy in the first 20 mins, then let equal of worse tackles go in the second halfIt goes without saying we were fecking lucky, and it could have been very different if Schranz had gone down when clipped by Guehi instead of tucking the goal away...
We were also fortunate either the ref calmed down or someone at UEFA had a word at half-time as Bellingham could easily have got a second yellow for that awful dive.
It has not been pretty, but hey we are into the quarters of the EUROS
.Stones looked poor
Ridgemont said:
As Mrs Mont pointed out, they spent so much time rolling around trying to waste minutes especially in the second half that they generated 6 mins of extra time. Had they actually behaved then they would have locked in the win and England would be on the way home.
It didn't generate any 'extra' minutes, those minutes were just the minutes spent injured actually being played. If they hadn't had any stoppage time then Bellingham would have scored in the 89th minute rather than the 95th minute.Look it's simple, he is the luckiest England Manager ever!
The only top nation he has ever beat in the knockout stages of a Euro or WC competition is Germany, when they were the worst ever German team (ok maybe second worst German team ever).
We have only made so many knockout qtrs, semi and a final because of the fortuitous groups, and routes through to these points, giving an inflated picture of he has exceeded all before except in 66. Watching England under Southgate can generally be described as torturous.
I guarantee you, if Bobby R, El Tel, hell even Graham Taylor, Kevin Keegan, Sven, Fabio, Glen, Hodgson and Steve Mclaren, would have been able to achieve equal 'success' if not better outcomes with the same players and routes.
The Football brand he plays has always be primarily don't concede as that his how you apparently win tournaments. Wrong that is how you qualify for them and how you get out of the group stage.
We all know that the four at the back and the holding CDM (Spain = Rodri) set the tempo and pace, so why even allow them to hold and pass the ball between them to the extent they do, yesterday Slovakia didn't even park the bus, England were just so slow with build-up play that it allowed the whole Slovak team to get into shape, it was like, "excuse me Slovakia, would you mind awfully if you could just set yourselves up for us, because I might just attack in a minute or two when I've worked out that having non-overlapping fullbacks and inverted left and right midfielder means, I have no chance of beating players in to the corners and creating havoc in defence and my geriatric centre-forward can't outpace a snail let alone a international centre-back so we will try a couple of long balls that you can mop up easily."
The midfield & forwards should be screaming and berating the defence for spending any more than 1 second & 2 touches on the ball.
We need one of Foden or Bellingham not both, Saka is a pale image of his previous or even earlier this season, so Palmer is a slightly better option, Toney is a better player up top, doesn't mean Kane can't play a little deeper and feed off him. Gordon needs a start. If we need to shut up shop in the last 15mins then Gallagher is a good a headless chicken as anyone and Trent can pump some more accurate balls for Ivan to latch on to to relieve the pressure, and if Foden or Bellingham aren't doing whats required by HT or 60mins then swap them. It's not rocket science is it.
The only top nation he has ever beat in the knockout stages of a Euro or WC competition is Germany, when they were the worst ever German team (ok maybe second worst German team ever).
We have only made so many knockout qtrs, semi and a final because of the fortuitous groups, and routes through to these points, giving an inflated picture of he has exceeded all before except in 66. Watching England under Southgate can generally be described as torturous.
I guarantee you, if Bobby R, El Tel, hell even Graham Taylor, Kevin Keegan, Sven, Fabio, Glen, Hodgson and Steve Mclaren, would have been able to achieve equal 'success' if not better outcomes with the same players and routes.
The Football brand he plays has always be primarily don't concede as that his how you apparently win tournaments. Wrong that is how you qualify for them and how you get out of the group stage.
We all know that the four at the back and the holding CDM (Spain = Rodri) set the tempo and pace, so why even allow them to hold and pass the ball between them to the extent they do, yesterday Slovakia didn't even park the bus, England were just so slow with build-up play that it allowed the whole Slovak team to get into shape, it was like, "excuse me Slovakia, would you mind awfully if you could just set yourselves up for us, because I might just attack in a minute or two when I've worked out that having non-overlapping fullbacks and inverted left and right midfielder means, I have no chance of beating players in to the corners and creating havoc in defence and my geriatric centre-forward can't outpace a snail let alone a international centre-back so we will try a couple of long balls that you can mop up easily."
The midfield & forwards should be screaming and berating the defence for spending any more than 1 second & 2 touches on the ball.
We need one of Foden or Bellingham not both, Saka is a pale image of his previous or even earlier this season, so Palmer is a slightly better option, Toney is a better player up top, doesn't mean Kane can't play a little deeper and feed off him. Gordon needs a start. If we need to shut up shop in the last 15mins then Gallagher is a good a headless chicken as anyone and Trent can pump some more accurate balls for Ivan to latch on to to relieve the pressure, and if Foden or Bellingham aren't doing whats required by HT or 60mins then swap them. It's not rocket science is it.
Edited by TWODs on Monday 1st July 14:56
biggbn said:
General Price said:
For a Englander living in Scotland,the game couldn't have had a better end.
Slovakia flags are being replaced by Swiss as we speak.
Hey man, now Scotland and Italy are out, you guys have my undivided attention...I'm sure the nation is breathing a sigh of relief for my unwavering support...were not all ABE. Slovakia flags are being replaced by Swiss as we speak.
The Hypno-Toad said:
Wasn't he the ref who was assaulted by the chairman of a Turkish club as he came off the pitch a few months ago?
Yes: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67691381Minglar said:
Others have commented on the Gerrard/Lampard era and I do see similarities, but I think it’s more a result of Southgate’s stubborn defensive approach rather than the players lack of ability.
Its not a stubborn defensive approach that made him decide to not take a fit LB, or keep playing Foden on the left, or to keep picking an out of form Saka.its a stubborn lack of intelligence
Hants PHer said:
It begs the question of whether Southgate is stubborn or incompetent, perhaps both. Personally, I'm going with both, meaning that for the Switzerland game we'll see the same formation and the same names (bar Konza for the suspended Guehi). The same Foden on the left, achieving nothing. Saka on the right, appearing to run through treacle. Kane dropping deep because he's so isolated up front, leaving us with no attacking threat. Both full backs unable or unwilling to overlap, further compressing a crowded pitch.
Actually, perhaps Southgate isn't stubborn/incompetent, perhaps he's cursed with some form of madness. After all, isn't that the definition when you keep repeating a failing option?
spot onActually, perhaps Southgate isn't stubborn/incompetent, perhaps he's cursed with some form of madness. After all, isn't that the definition when you keep repeating a failing option?
Adam. said:
Hants PHer said:
It begs the question of whether Southgate is stubborn or incompetent, perhaps both. Personally, I'm going with both, meaning that for the Switzerland game we'll see the same formation and the same names (bar Konza for the suspended Guehi). The same Foden on the left, achieving nothing. Saka on the right, appearing to run through treacle. Kane dropping deep because he's so isolated up front, leaving us with no attacking threat. Both full backs unable or unwilling to overlap, further compressing a crowded pitch.
Actually, perhaps Southgate isn't stubborn/incompetent, perhaps he's cursed with some form of madness. After all, isn't that the definition when you keep repeating a failing option?
spot onActually, perhaps Southgate isn't stubborn/incompetent, perhaps he's cursed with some form of madness. After all, isn't that the definition when you keep repeating a failing option?
TWODs said:
Adam. said:
Hants PHer said:
It begs the question of whether Southgate is stubborn or incompetent, perhaps both. Personally, I'm going with both, meaning that for the Switzerland game we'll see the same formation and the same names (bar Konza for the suspended Guehi). The same Foden on the left, achieving nothing. Saka on the right, appearing to run through treacle. Kane dropping deep because he's so isolated up front, leaving us with no attacking threat. Both full backs unable or unwilling to overlap, further compressing a crowded pitch.
Actually, perhaps Southgate isn't stubborn/incompetent, perhaps he's cursed with some form of madness. After all, isn't that the definition when you keep repeating a failing option?
spot onActually, perhaps Southgate isn't stubborn/incompetent, perhaps he's cursed with some form of madness. After all, isn't that the definition when you keep repeating a failing option?
Different players, different positions, different tactics, especially after the abysmal first half, would offer far more potential. Yes we won 2-1 after ET but I’d prefer 3-1 after 90 minutes. Just look at Spain last night.
Antony Moxey said:
Ridgemont said:
As Mrs Mont pointed out, they spent so much time rolling around trying to waste minutes especially in the second half that they generated 6 mins of extra time. Had they actually behaved then they would have locked in the win and England would be on the way home.
It didn't generate any 'extra' minutes, those minutes were just the minutes spent injured actually being played. If they hadn't had any stoppage time then Bellingham would have scored in the 89th minute rather than the 95th minute.The ref stopped play a number of times (and accrued injury time) while a Slovakian rolled around. For minutes at a time. There isn’t a time portal where Bellingham gets in his tardis and materialises just to do an overhead kick at the 89th as opposed to 95th. As I seem to recall he spent a lot of those minutes in match time running around attempting to plug gaps in the midfield. Weird inevitability of timeline argument. Never thought to see metaphysics on a football thread but there you go.
Hants PHer said:
Messrs. Wright, Neville and Keane are not my favourite pundits but all three were adamant that Southgate must, simply must make changes at half time last night.
He didn't, of course, leaving all three staggered, as was I. Ditto Dixon and Matterface I suspect.
It begs the question of whether Southgate is stubborn or incompetent, perhaps both. Personally, I'm going with both, meaning that for the Switzerland game we'll see the same formation and the same names (bar Konza for the suspended Guehi). The same Foden on the left, achieving nothing. Saka on the right, appearing to run through treacle. Kane dropping deep because he's so isolated up front, leaving us with no attacking threat. Both full backs unable or unwilling to overlap, further compressing a crowded pitch.
Actually, perhaps Southgate isn't stubborn/incompetent, perhaps he's cursed with some form of madness. After all, isn't that the definition when you keep repeating a failing option?
As a Scot watching the game, the frustration of a manager being stubborn, playing players out of their comfort zone, very late substitutions and playing dire football made me come to a conclusion...He didn't, of course, leaving all three staggered, as was I. Ditto Dixon and Matterface I suspect.
It begs the question of whether Southgate is stubborn or incompetent, perhaps both. Personally, I'm going with both, meaning that for the Switzerland game we'll see the same formation and the same names (bar Konza for the suspended Guehi). The same Foden on the left, achieving nothing. Saka on the right, appearing to run through treacle. Kane dropping deep because he's so isolated up front, leaving us with no attacking threat. Both full backs unable or unwilling to overlap, further compressing a crowded pitch.
Actually, perhaps Southgate isn't stubborn/incompetent, perhaps he's cursed with some form of madness. After all, isn't that the definition when you keep repeating a failing option?
We just don't have the luck!
On a footnote, not all Scots are ABE!
TWODs said:
I guarantee you, if Bobby R, El Tel, hell even Graham Taylor, Kevin Keegan, Sven, Fabio, Glen, Hodgson and Steve Mclaren, would have been able to achieve equal 'success' if not better outcomes with the same players and routes.
Really. Let's take Hodgson. 2014, never got out of the group. 1 point from 9. Costa Rica topped the group with 7. Costa Rica, 7 times as many points as us. 2016, never had the Southgate luck with an easy draw, as he came up against that footballing superpower that is Iceland.
Honestly, what rubbish. Southgate is no Carlo Ancelotti, but you cannot seriously lump him in with a dud like Hodgson.
McLaren never even took us to the Euros, lost 2-3 to Croatia in the last qualifier. And that was when Croatia were a nothing team. They'd only been a country for about 5 minutes.
Edited by TwigtheWonderkid on Monday 1st July 21:51
Ridgemont said:
Antony Moxey said:
Ridgemont said:
As Mrs Mont pointed out, they spent so much time rolling around trying to waste minutes especially in the second half that they generated 6 mins of extra time. Had they actually behaved then they would have locked in the win and England would be on the way home.
It didn't generate any 'extra' minutes, those minutes were just the minutes spent injured actually being played. If they hadn't had any stoppage time then Bellingham would have scored in the 89th minute rather than the 95th minute.The ref stopped play a number of times (and accrued injury time) while a Slovakian rolled around. For minutes at a time. There isn’t a time portal where Bellingham gets in his tardis and materialises just to do an overhead kick at the 89th as opposed to 95th. As I seem to recall he spent a lot of those minutes in match time running around attempting to plug gaps in the midfield. Weird inevitability of timeline argument. Never thought to see metaphysics on a football thread but there you go.
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