The Official England Thread- The Team We All Support [Vol 3]

[NRS]

GloverMart said:

sc0tt said:

carlo996 said:

KittyLitter said:

I watch as I DO know about football and enjoy watching.
Just because I disagree that these are world class players doesn't make my opinion any less than yours. Engage in debate - prove me why tonights performance shows they are world class? Engage, don't just berate someone who doesn't share your POV

It’s not really a question that can be argued. Kane, Bellingham and Foden are coveted by some of the best managers in the world. They play at the highest level, and despite these indisputable facts you’re unable to separate your dislike for them, from the real issue. But that’s fine. You really don’t have a clue.

Do not feed the troll.

Exactly, Scott. Ignoring them is the best policy, anything else is just prolonging the boring st.

Carlo is a massive Troll elsewhere, I wouldn’t put it past him to be trying to start it off again here.

[Bradgate]

Last Visit said:

Spain are looking bloody brilliant. They'd run rings around England based on our Euro 24 performances thus far.

Unless Southgate gets his act together and starts playing to our strengths, Switzerland will run rings round us, never mind Spain.

[Flip Martian]

Not mine but funny

[NRG1976]

Flip Martian said:

Not mine but funny

That can’t be Gareth Southgate, he would never throw caution to the wind and ride a bike without a helmet or gloves

Edited by NRG1976 on Sunday 30th June 22:53

[Flip Martian]

NRG1976 said:

That can’t be Gareth Southgate, he would never throw caution to the wind and ride a bike without a helmet or gloves :hehe

Very good point.

[carlo996]

NRS said:

Carlo is a massive Troll elsewhere, I wouldn’t put it past him to be trying to start it off again here.

Do you have anything positive to say, or are you continuing in your usual style?

[jonamv8]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

What is can't fathom, is England are STILL favourites for the tournament.

Use a Spanish bookie, with a Spanish IP address - see who are favourites then….

[OzzyR1]

Jordie Barretts sock said:

What is can't fathom, is England are STILL favourites for the tournament.

At the risk of stating the obvious, a bookmaker's odds are not a prediction of who is most likely to win.

The pricing is primarily based on the amount of money staked on a particular result & the bookie looking to minimise their losses.

Anyone who has bet on horse-racing will be familiar - a horse might be 50:1 two hours before the race starts, but if people pile money onto it the bookies will reduce the odds to 25:1, then 10:1.
If more money comes in it will go to 5:1 or 2:1 etc.

The horse that was 50:1 two hours ago is the same horse at 2:1 now.
The horse has no conception that is was an outsider but is now favourite & will run the same race regardless.

The bookies adjust the odds to make the biggest profit - football betting no different

[PomBstard]

A broader question: why is it always the same handful of countries that are at the top? With the occasional stutter, internationally the past 40/50 years has been all Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Brazil and Argentina, perhaps with a side dollop of Netherlands and Portugal. Why are these countries successful at international tournaments, yet for all the ‘world class’ players in England’s various squads over that time the team hasn’t really done much.

What do those other countries do so differently to always be in contention? It can’t just be the manager, there’s got to be something more, surely…

[Challo]

Not sure on the exactly reasons why, but often they will have a way of playing/style and then pick the team to play that particular way. If they have to drop big names then so be it.

This england team reminds of the last so called golden generation where had Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes all similar players in midfield but decided they had to play them all at once. It didn't work then and it doesn't work now.

The media and fans are crying that we have to play particular players but if they don't fit in to the system we want to play then sorry they go on the bench. Foden at left wing is a prime example.

If Southgate feels Bellingham is the best number 10 in the team then foden should be on the bench. Rather than thinking of Foden can do a job on the left when it's clear it doesn't work.

[fourstardan]

Was David Platts Belgium goal better clutch than Bellingham?

I think Bellingham edges it as he was reacting as he went for the overhead where as Platt could see the build up from the free kick.

Ive slept on last nights performance and Southgate is still clueless lol.

We just don't have enough depth to win this to me.

[sugerbear]

PomBstard said:

A broader question: why is it always the same handful of countries that are at the top? With the occasional stutter, internationally the past 40/50 years has been all Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Brazil and Argentina, perhaps with a side dollop of Netherlands and Portugal. Why are these countries successful at international tournaments, yet for all the ‘world class’ players in England’s various squads over that time the team hasn’t really done much.

What do those other countries do so differently to always be in contention? It can’t just be the manager, there’s got to be something more, surely…

Managerial/coaching talent and cheating/luck.

Southgate might win this, we are in the easier leg of the knockout stage. The other team may be more fatigued or by some miracle (injuries i expect) Southgate might be forced to play a certain way that makes him choose players that actually play in the right position. Bringing on Toney changed the game for me as the defenders had two forwards to worry about, not just one.

[fathomfive]

We have plenty of depth.

Southgate just has no clue how to produce the best team out of it.

[GloverMart]

carlo996 said:

Do you have anything positive to say, or are you continuing in your usual style?

For clarity, Carlo, and you'll probably know this, I meant KittyLitter.

[DirktheDaring]

We lack arrogance and confidence, successful teams have plenty of this.

For instance the Germans have an arrogance about them, they feel they have won a match before they even leave the dressing room.

[Carl_VivaEspana]

I think our hopes might rest, just slightly, on the availability of Luke Shaw.

I think getting Shaw and Gordon/Eze swapped in on the left wing might be what we need.

I think Eze made a positive impact.

Not sure Conor Gallagher is international level but then again people didn't think Xhaka was neither.

FOTMOB MotM was Declan Rice.

[epom]

Anyone prepared to give the manager the benefit of the doubt yet ? He’s got you this far, handy game next…
It’s a results based business.

[Challo]

Carl_VivaEspana said:

I think our hopes might rest, just slightly, on the availability of Luke Shaw.

I think getting Shaw and Gordon/Eze swapped in on the left wing might be what we need.

I think Eze made a positive impact.

Not sure Conor Gallagher is international level but then again people didn't think Xhaka was neither.

FOTMOB MotM was Declan Rice.

Apart from injury we won't change the side, unless Shaw is 100% fit.

Rice was probably the best England player, but not of the match. A few Slovakia players played alot better

[Bluevanman]

epom said:

Anyone prepared to give the manager the benefit of the doubt yet ? He’s got you this far, handy game next…
It’s a results based business.

Have you watched the 4 games ?
We've been dire in all of them and still he picked the same starting 11,bar 1 position, with the same tactics.
We've been extremely lucky to have got through in spite of Southgate,not because of him

[Jasey_]

epom said:

Anyone prepared to give the manager the benefit of the doubt yet ? He’s got you this far, handy game next…
It’s a results based business.

No